So, guys, I see your seduction techniques are going well. Go you!

Y'all are getting all the sexual attention you crave.

You must be very proud, and I applaud the hard work and research you're doing into a very difficult subject.

However. I can't help but wonder. And 'scuse me for this, but I really do wonder. And I'm curious, so please help me out.

When you get up in the morning and rush off, leaving the HB7/8/9 (or whatever number you've assigned her) behind wondering wtf she did wrong, do you feel even the slightest bit of shame? When your hit rate has gone over a certain number, do you high-five yourself? Or .. deep inside .. do you feel a bit of an a$$hole? And after doing this stuff for some time, do you ever actually ask yourself if it was worth selling your integrity to become some kind of life support system for a penis?

I can't help but wonder if your time would have been better spent learning something more worthwhile ... like ... oh I don't know ... how to be a decent human being that women would GENUINELY like.

What do you think? Am I way off base here?

Well, you're off-base to assume all men are the same, all 'game' is the same.

I don't advocate lying to a woman. I believe in being direct, and ensuring she understands I want to fuck her. There is no question.

And, when found, the woman is reciprocal in her own desires... SO, please...who, exactly, is it that gets left behind?

FYI - Ignorance is a bad position from which to debate...





RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

The problem is that women wont respond to that kind of talk initially, they will most likely ignore you unless you have sufficient game.

Sleeping with a woman is not a wrong. Telling a woman you love her and are looking to get married soon, just to get laid is lying, and wrong.

But women can mistake your seduction methods as a way of establishing a realtionship.

Men use intimacy to get sex, women use sex to get intimacy. thats where the conflict lies.

Did you do your homework before making such brash statements? Almost every pro I have read about or watched a video on make it very clear what he wants before things escalate. It is then up to the woman to make the ultimate decision of whether or not to let it happen. Don't judge this community based on you're perceived notions after watching Wedding Crashers. Read credible sources, take the time to understand why they're in the game (we love women), then form an opinion. Sure there are bad apples but to attack a whole community for a few bad seeds is PUA discrimination and discrimination is wrong.

By the way, you should smile more, I bet it looks good on you

*cough cough*

Your tagline says it all really, doesn't it?

Please don't assume I'm ignorant of the game, or the effects. Yes, the woman is reciprocating but I'd suggest that she's been manipulated into that - and manipulation is a very sleazy form of control. It's not about being honest about the intent to fuck her. It's about measuring a man's worth rather than his penis length. And that's from my teenage son.

Sadly, this is true.

Scarlet, what happened?

Why are you so angry?

PM if need be, you don't need to go public...

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Err, then why don't women just go for the nice guys in the bars instead of the pickup artists? You guys make the decision to have sex, not sure why it's with a PUA instead of a nice guy.

Unless the PUA IS a nice guy himself, which there are those of out there who are.

Yes, I've done my homework, thank you. My brash statements are actually questions that many many women would like to ask you - and in fact I'm the spokesperson for a group of friends who were pretty horrified at these tactics.

Wedding Crashers?? SERIOUSLY??? You're telling me not to make assumptions, but you're happy to make them about me??

Smile more, haha ... And you wonder why my eyes roll heavenwards.....

RR ... I'm not angry, just a bit disappointed and disgusted. Thanks for the offer of PM though

Sadly, my tagline DOES say it all. And, sadly, it's true. You hate me for that? I didn't MAKE it true... I'm pointing out the obvious.

I've been married, I failed at it, I don't want it - BUT I love women, I enjoy their company and their touch and I love conversing with them.... When I approach, and I decide to fuck them, there is NO deception. Hell, they WANT it!

You can lie... but deep down, you've had that animalistic desire to simply get fucked. What makes you so much better than another lady or man who has that same reaction but they merely choose to act upon it?

Darlin, your perception is far from my reality.

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

But Scarlet, why are you and your group horrified by the antics?

I just found the group today after a year of getting dumped for basically being to nice. Most people here start out that way, from what I see. Whats the problem with us improving our sex life and learning what women want?

Not everyone is looking to fuck and bail.

Only those that wish to be controlled will be, there is negative energy everywhere in this world. But there is also a lot of positive energy. these entities transcend gender, there is just as many woman manipulating men as there is men manipulating women.

The basis of this forum is to help men/boys break out of their shell and learn to interact with the opposite sex, its not to create a community of womanizers, at the end of it all, it will all come down to each individual as to what type of energy they want to project onto the world.

Womanizing has been around for centuries, it was not created by this forum or community. If you take the time out to read most of the posts on this forum, you will see it is filled with a positive energy. Their are some truly genuine people on here trying to help.

I am sorry that you are so scorned, There is a lot shit bags out there, but please don't be so quick to judge, you mentioned you are not ignorant, judging an entire community on what may have been some negative experiences in your life is a form of ignorance.

I mean no offense by these words, I only offer this advice.

See each individual as just that, an individual. Base your opinions on that individuals merit. Give respect to those that deserve it and disregard the ones that don't.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

I've been married too, I failed at it too, and yes I have the animalistic desire too. And I like men, and love their company, and love sex. I'm not denying any of that. But I've never had to manipulate a guy into fucking me.