It's easy to dance with girls seductively and get them hot & bothered. That's just what people do at clubs and I have no issues there. But how do you cross that social/mental barrier from doing typical club stuff to anything outside those doors?
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Peronsonally (skills may disagree) but I find there is a barrier on the dance floor for how far things are going to go unless there is a insane amount of physical attraction.
Take her off the dance floor to a quieter part of the club and game her there. Its much easier to escalate things off a dance floor. Sure you are touching lots on a dance floor but it's all "simulated" you want to show her who you are and why the fuck she is guna have fun with you when you either take her home that night or meet up with her another time
Peronsonally (skills may disagree) but I find there is a barrier on the dance floor for how far things are going to go unless there is a insane amount of physical attraction.
Take her off the dance floor to a quieter part of the club and game her there. Its much easier to escalate things off a dance floor. Sure you are touching lots on a dance floor but it's all "simulated" you want to show her who you are and why the fuck she is guna have fun with you when you either take her home that night or meet up with her another time
^ no i don't disagree that works... But you do not really need to isolate sometimes in trying to isolate the cockblocks will cockblock... i barely isolate i usually leave with them...
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It's easy to dance with girls seductively and get them hot & bothered. That's just what people do at clubs and I have no issues there. But how do you cross that social/mental barrier from doing typical club stuff to anything outside those doors?
Well dude it depends a lot on logistics( who she came to the club with, the cockblocks, time of the night etc...) ,the info. gathered during the interaction, i would advise you to take a look at mine(well poetic) dtf post do a search on it or you can find it on the warped mindless newbie guide on the lounge... I am not big on bathroom lays and i would even advise against that... I had a lot of success walking them towards her car with the excuse of making sure she is safe or you do not even need an excuse and asking her to drop me of at my car, then i manage to turn her on to the point of car sex(look for the skills bj routine), or i have her follow me to my crib, her crib, park, or in south beach to the beach, motels usually pack on the weekends if you drive around too much she may get cold feet, hotels are very expensive... My preference through the years,just like sexaddict says in his post is on the second encounter, cause i hate car sex, the pussy stinks after drinking beer, fatigue etc... also she may feel like a slut and associate you with her sluttiness(some of those girls i like to fuck couple of times after).. Also, i am a greedy natural, i like to go game other girls, after i gotten a girl, so i usually do this type of things after 2.30 am... Since i do not like to get stuck with a girl the whole night, for me is beyond boring, and kills my chances of getting other girls to my inventory, plus i like to have fun and dance, most girls unfortunately are boring as fuck and too predictable, once you know what you are doing and you get good at game, you will find most girls too easy and kind of boring...Do not be outcome dependent and do not force anything including ons the more accidental and smooth everything looks the better...
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I know what you mean about the cock blocks. I don't give a shit if they all come with, just good to get into a dialogue with her/them.
And what you said about not forcing anything- EXCELLENT advice. If you have seen my post on back to mine on first date that's absolute key. I never make it look like I'm trying to get laid.
Obviously if a girl makes it clear she is up for up then that's difference.
A few months back in a club me and my mate fucked these sisters, she said to me "what would your mate say if I took you home tonight" lol no pussyfooting around there! I just said "he'd high five me and tell me to leave!"
I know what you mean about the cock blocks. I don't give a shit if they all come with, just good to get into a dialogue with her/them.
And what you said about not forcing anything- EXCELLENT advice. If you have seen my post on back to mine on first date that's absolute key. I never make it look like I'm trying to get laid.
Obviously if a girl makes it clear she is up for up then that's difference.
A few months back in a club me and my mate fucked these sisters, she said to me "what would your mate say if I took you home tonight" lol no pussyfooting around there! I just said "he'd high five me and tell me to leave!"
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Yeah, I don't try to force anything. Dancing and flirting is natural to me, and I act as if I've done it a thousand times because I have. It's just the time window where you have a girl's full attention isn't big. Usually the girl will leave to see her friends, who are often being gamed by a group of guys, and she gets absorbed into that. So my strategy has been to let that happen and get the number close before it does.
I'm fine with the day 2's, don't get me wrong. A little inconsistant, but the quantity of numbers you can get in a night makes up for it. Just wondered if it was feisable to hold her interest better for that night. I always found it a losing battle. Might need better eyes for finding those dtf girls.
Yeah, I don't try to force anything. Dancing and flirting is natural to me, and I act as if I've done it a thousand times because I have. It's just the time window where you have a girl's full attention isn't big. Usually the girl will leave to see her friends, who are often being gamed by a group of guys, and she gets absorbed into that. So my strategy has been to let that happen and get the number close before it does.
I'm fine with the day 2's, don't get me wrong. A little inconsistant, but the quantity of numbers you can get in a night makes up for it. Just wondered if it was feisable to hold her interest better for that night. I always found it a losing battle. Might need better eyes for finding those dtf girls.
The key is to keep her engaged. This BS about waiting a few days before you message a girl after securing the digits is completely wrong. ( perhaps if you are seeking a relationship) but if you are trying to get laid, it's wise to keep the fire hot! Text her that night, or the next morning. You want to keep her intrigued until the moment you cum on her face.
If you established enough of a connection that night, it should be easy to keep the fire hot. It's much easier to escalate sexually through text or phone calls. Women will open up easier through texts, so it's critical to open them up sexually before the next encounter ( I do this via text all the time)
What you want to do is, gauge her sexually, by asking fun questions and getting her hot. You need to know how loose or tight her sexual mentality is. If you can seduce her mind the rest will follow. If you engage her in sexual banter and bring it to a maximum threshold, she will associate you with sex. If she comes over to hang out, or meets for a day 2. Sex and sexual contact will be implied. The more she likes your personality when you hang out, the more willing she will be to having sex.
Opening women up sexually before the second meeting is critical to getting laid. You still may be able to get laid without pre-opening but you will not have any idea where the woman stands and there will be a lot of unknown variables. Making any pre-planning pointless and only based on assumptions.
What I like to do is actually paint a fantasy of the both of us, during our text or phone conversation. If you ask the right questions, and escalate them at the right pace, 99% of women will tell you exactly how available for sex they are.
If the girl is a prude, don't waste your time. Keep it friendly, set her on the back shelf and work on another girl to come over.
One of the best questions to ask a woman during any sexual banter is:
What would you rate your sexuality out of 1-10 ( generally anything 8 or higher, usually means the girl is DTF)
Dont ask this question until you have escalated to it. When opening a woman up sexually via text/phone, It's just like the real thing, start off with talking about kissing, cuddling, etc etc, work your way to the dirty stuff.
Women are all different, they all have their own paces to get there, but they all will. Work at her pace. Once you have enough sexual openess, invite her over. ( again, keep the fire hot) Get her to hang out with you ASAP. The more time you leave in between, the more the chance of the woman flaking.
As we all know women are emotional creatures and they act on their emotions. Give them too much time to think about anything and they will talk themselves out of anything. They are incredibly insecure creatures, they must be constantly re-assured. I've had women try to flake while sitting in my drive way, shortly after arriving. LOL. This is why it is CRITICAL to keep them engaged always and be persistent. Women need this, they need to be guided.
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Yeah, I don't try to force anything. Dancing and flirting is natural to me, and I act as if I've done it a thousand times because I have. It's just the time window where you have a girl's full attention isn't big. Usually the girl will leave to see her friends, who are often being gamed by a group of guys, and she gets absorbed into that. So my strategy has been to let that happen and get the number close before it does.
I'm fine with the day 2's, don't get me wrong. A little inconsistant, but the quantity of numbers you can get in a night makes up for it. Just wondered if it was feisable to hold her interest better for that night. I always found it a losing battle. Might need better eyes for finding those dtf girls.
dude the problem is dancing and flirting does not mean shit, number closing is a joke, the only time i number close if after super heavy make out, if you are doing my style of club game, she should be so intrigued, and sexually aroused that she will not flake, you need to be aggressive and escalating NEVER PLAY IT SAFE.. You have an escalation problem if the girl is getting bored and going back to the friends... Do not go for quantity of numbers... The only time i get numbers is after heavy make out, escalation and a lot of chemistry, if not, i do not waste my time collecting numbers... If you do it right you can text the girl whenever you want, it should not be the problem... So skills when do you consider the best time to call or text? whenever you feel like, do not chase... I tried to heavy escalate on this girl, and she did not let me, then she chase me to give me her number, turn out to be a waste of my time... Details here:
Senese i'm a fan of not tearing down something without offering another solution, I present to you my view of phone game. Actually, its more of Vin DiCarlo's view of phone game sense his model worked so damn well for me I never really had to change much to have it work well and consistent for me.
1) Phone/text game should be used for ONE purpose..to get her to meet up with you. Thats it. Leave all escalation, comfort building, whatever for face to face meeting.
2) Text her something that will make her want to text you back, something that intrigues her.
3) When she text back start making things sexual. An easy way to do this is misinterpretation.
3) Within a few messages get logistics and set up a time to hang out.
Thats it. Simple, effective, free of any silly bull shit.
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I understand what both you guys are saying, but my dancing style isn't grinding and it isn't very up close most of the time. So the spinning for me is just something that has seemed to work fairly consistently. I am not saying I spin woman all the time, but I tend to enjoy the spin quite a bit, it is fairly underrated and WOMEN LOVE IT! I am pretty science based guys and each situation is different, I don't always spin but it works wonders for me.
See the thing about dancing with me, is the dance beat doesn't matter. It really doesn't, who cares if it is hip hop, country, reggae, classic rock, a woman loves to get spun dancing. The beat doesn't create the situation I DO!
You also have to take into consideration that I merely am ACCEPTING THEIR INTEREST. My hand extension is just a part of my style, I assume they will grab the hand and they always do. It's actually very simple. I understand your point but when you know they already want to dance with you, then you aren't really extending an invite so much as saying ok here come dance.
It's a very very different style, nobody else I know of uses it, it's a rejection free style. It's does take a lot of confidence, and it takes a decent dancing style. It also takes you being the guy who is having the most fun around.
Smiling is definitely something I refuse to lose, it is very alpha to smile(you have to have your confident body language with it), it is just part of how I do things. I'm sure you are far more talented at picking up fly dames on the dance floor but I do as good as I care to do. That is one thing that most people seem to miss, when you smile at a woman it can be over responsive but if you smile at a woman the right way (impossible to explain written) you don't take a beta role, you take an alpha role automatically why because the smile is congruent with who you are.
I do want to point out just because I am dancing with a woman doesn't mean it means shit. That is the point, I am having fun she is there for the ride. So in a sense she is chasing me because I am still the more attractive person in the interaction when you observe it. It's not as if I am going after her, that is the thing, they are coming after me.
I understand as the night goes on there needs to be different game and tactics. I really do, but I'm not going to the dance floor to pick up women. They come to me and pick up on me.
Here is an example:
I went to a White Party up in Park City a couple months back, it was a good time but we had to get there a little early for the list. Well I like to dance, there was no one on the dance floor. The group I was with started on the dance floor really before ANYONE ELSE. This is a huge selling point believe it or not. You have the confidence to have fun and be yourself where as everyone else is standing around. YOU RAISE THE ENERGY.
The reaction was me and 8 other women surrounding me, not my group but me. I ended up the center of attention because I was dancing and having fun. I had some solid threads on and I certainly stood out. EVERY WOMAN in the area was attracted to me, yes every woman, they all sent me some sort of attraction signal. Some were with guys and they still sent me some attraction clusters.
So what happens? The douches roll on to the floor and scare the women, I am territorial so I move towards open space, THE WOMEN FOLLOWED ME. That is right they followed me, so as I continue to be me and have my fun I scout the crowd might as well see what kind of action is rolling around it's still VERY early though.
The majority of the women early in the night were cougars(40 +) and pumas(30-40), to me it's no biggie. This is Park City though guys, these were sexy women that were trophy wives and have some possibly store bought parts. My buddy said "It looked like you were about to get attacked by cougars."
Their was one sexy puma that was sending me signals all over the place, blonde hair green eyes, gorgeous body. I knew she was following me, she was more open with her signals then some others. I could write up all the body language but she was attracted. All I had to do was smile, make eye contact, and extend my hand and bring her closer. THAT WAS IT! I gave her a spin and had some fun, brought her back and kept her close. Note: I would have cleaned up but one of the people in my group was my Sis and I didn't want her to see that me, even if she knows I'd prefer the ostrich syndrome, if she doesn't see it, it doesn't exist.
My attention grabbing style landed me in a ton of pics as well. Had me surrounded by women which means, even more women wanted me. Yes I'm a short heavy set Mexican kid and I had some very TALL women eye fucking the shit out of me. Following me around the dance floor, in fact a group of "amazon women" as my sis put it were eye raping me. I had women coming to me all night. I also had the most territory on the dance floor (always do).
As the night went on nothing changed. There were guys all around the dance floor standing there looking for targets and talking to women getting denied, I didn't even need to say a word. The funny part was they would all come stand next to me because I was the guy they were around lol, so I would move they would follow away from them. Well played for isolation and quite easy.
I used this example because it was a great example of how I do things, not because I hooked up but because this is how my dance game works, the women come to me. This type of shit happens everywhere, Vegas, Puerto Vallarta, Utah, Cali, everywhere.
P.S. Thank You Sex Addict for the compliment on our similar styles bro. You are an impressive person to identify with, it's funny how easy it really is aye?
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I understand what both you guys are saying, but my dancing style isn't grinding and it isn't very up close most of the time. So the spinning for me is just something that has seemed to work fairly consistently. I am not saying I spin woman all the time, but I tend to enjoy the spin quite a bit, it is fairly underrated and WOMEN LOVE IT! I am pretty science based guys and each situation is different, I don't always spin but it works wonders for me.
Poetic the important thing, is to do you, if you want to spin and you enjoy it do it dude, your enjoyment will translate into her enjoyment, and that is all it matters, but as you can see mm, works for mystery, but for example it would not work for a lot of people in dancefloor game, now, that style works for you, but i am trying to put a method that would be easy and will work with most people...
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See the thing about dancing with me, is the dance beat doesn't matter. It really doesn't, who cares if it is hip hop, country, reggae, classic rock, a woman loves to get spun dancing. The beat doesn't create the situation I DO!
As i said poetic if it works for you keep doing it, dance beat matters a lot, if you want to look calibrated in the dancefloor, but i can only share my 17 years experience on dancefloor game and my opinion...Again the most important thing is to do you, your enjoyment will be translated to her enjoyment..
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You also have to take into consideration that I merely am ACCEPTING THEIR INTEREST. My hand extension is just a part of my style, I assume they will grab the hand and they always do. It's actually very simple. I understand your point but when you know they already want to dance with you, then you aren't really extending an invite so much as saying ok here come dance.
^ yes that is correct, but most newbies will fail reading the signs, you are a body language expert, that is why i have you in my book, but most newbies do not have the expertise on body language you have...
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It's a very very different style, nobody else I know of uses it, it's a rejection free style. It's does take a lot of confidence, and it takes a decent dancing style. It also takes you being the guy who is having the most fun around.
^ that is good, but there is not such thing as rejection free style...However escalation in itself is kind of rejection free, since she does not reject you verbally...
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Smiling is definitely something I refuse to lose, it is very alpha to smile(you have to have your confident body language with it), it is just part of how I do things. I'm sure you are far more talented at picking up fly dames on the dance floor but I do as good as I care to do. That is one thing that most people seem to miss, when you smile at a woman it can be over responsive but if you smile at a woman the right way (impossible to explain written) you don't take a beta role, you take an alpha role automatically why because the smile is congruent with who you are.
I saw all your videos, for you smiling looks good, alpha, and no needy, so again poeitic, for you it works, but for most guys in the dancefloor comes across as needy= so i like the smirk, or pocker face, but i advise a slightly higher energy or contrast energy to the woman, and lip sinking...
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I do want to point out just because I am dancing with a woman doesn't mean it means shit. That is the point, I am having fun she is there for the ride. So in a sense she is chasing me because I am still the more attractive person in the interaction when you observe it. It's not as if I am going after her, that is the thing, they are coming after me.
^ this is very good, and i do something similar, from 11-12:30 or 1 am... After that i advise a different style, in my experience better results, reading body language, invites,reads(your stuff) and approaching...
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I understand as the night goes on there needs to be different game and tactics. I really do, but I'm not going to the dance floor to pick up women. They come to me and pick up on me.
Actually as i said i try this style before, the problem is that is kind of boring, i like the chase... Plus i am trying to put a general guide the may improve performance for everybody that go to the dancefloor to do pick up...
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Here is an example:
I went to a White Party up in Park City a couple months back, it was a good time but we had to get there a little early for the list. Well I like to dance, there was no one on the dance floor. The group I was with started on the dance floor really before ANYONE ELSE. This is a huge selling point believe it or not. You have the confidence to have fun and be yourself where as everyone else is standing around. YOU RAISE THE ENERGY.
^100% correct..
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The reaction was me and 8 other women surrounding me, not my group but me. I ended up the center of attention because I was dancing and having fun. I had some solid threads on and I certainly stood out. EVERY WOMAN in the area was attracted to me, yes every woman, they all sent me some sort of attraction signal. Some were with guys and they still sent me some attraction clusters.
lol been there, 100% correct..
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So what happens? The douches roll on to the floor and scare the women, I am territorial so I move towards open space, THE WOMEN FOLLOWED ME. That is right they followed me, so as I continue to be me and have my fun I scout the crowd might as well see what kind of action is rolling around it's still VERY early though.
Yes all the things described tend to happen early in the night, 11-12.30... I encounter identical experiences...
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The majority of the women early in the night were cougars(40 +) and pumas(30-40), to me it's no biggie. This is Park City though guys, these were sexy women that were trophy wives and have some possibly store bought parts. My buddy said "It looked like you were about to get attacked by cougars."
Easy snls
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Their was one sexy puma that was sending me signals all over the place, blonde hair green eyes, gorgeous body. I knew she was following me, she was more open with her signals then some others. I could write up all the body language but she was attracted. All I had to do was smile, make eye contact, and extend my hand and bring her closer. THAT WAS IT! I gave her a spin and had some fun, brought her back and kept her close. Note: I would have cleaned up but one of the people in my group was my Sis and I didn't want her to see that me, even if she knows I'd prefer the ostrich syndrome, if she doesn't see it, it doesn't exist.
My attention grabbing style landed me in a ton of pics as well. Had me surrounded by women which means, even more women wanted me. Yes I'm a short heavy set Mexican kid and I had some very TALL women eye fucking the shit out of me. Following me around the dance floor, in fact a group of "amazon women" as my sis put it were eye raping me. I had women coming to me all night. I also had the most territory on the dance floor (always do).
As the night went on nothing changed. There were guys all around the dance floor standing there looking for targets and talking to women getting denied, I didn't even need to say a word. The funny part was they would all come stand next to me because I was the guy they were around lol, so I would move they would follow away from them. Well played for isolation and quite easy.
I used this example because it was a great example of how I do things, not because I hooked up but because this is how my dance game works, the women come to me. This type of shit happens everywhere, Vegas, Puerto Vallarta, Utah, Cali, everywhere.
P.S. Thank You Sex Addict for the compliment on our similar styles bro. You are an impressive person to identify with, it's funny how easy it really is aye?
Everything you describe is what happens, early on the night, if you see the video of afc adams that is what you should expect, however, to maximize results, get laid and be efficient when it comes to dancefloor game, there are other things that you need to do, and different approaches as the night goes on... For example early in the night women are not generally ready to go home with you...The main problem i have with this type of game is that is very SLOW and INDIRECT, with that being said i advise it early on in the night, when women are shy, getting acquainted with the venue, and not ready to hook up, or be open...
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About to read this skills but before I do just thought I'd say I know it's gonna be awesome because all your club game info is.
I've been waiting for you to right something like this for a long time.
Much love man.
hey! thanks for the love
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It's easy to dance with girls seductively and get them hot & bothered. That's just what people do at clubs and I have no issues there. But how do you cross that social/mental barrier from doing typical club stuff to anything outside those doors?
This dude fucked a girl in the club, exactly what happened twice to me when i try to fuck a girl in the bathroom i got soft and he did no use a rubber in Miami one of the highest std cities if not the highest:
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