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 Post subject: New member Please Help!!
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Hi I dont know if this is the proper place in the forum to ask this question but if it isnt please show me where I should post it.

I will attempt to give as much details as possible so that you guys can better answer my question and give me advice.

A little about me: I havent read any of the PUA books I just read random posts or articles from various websites once in a while. Girls often tell me that I am good looking. I am 5'7 which Im not too down about but do wish I was taller. I have varying confidence on different days and depending on the level of attraction I feel towards the girl. Sometimes Im extremely confident and sometimes its just whatever.

Anyway there was a girl in my night time computer class n collceg and in the beginning we didnt speak to each other. But as days went by we helped each other out little by little and I began to sense that she was becoming attracted to me, as I was to her. She gave me the homework and classwork I didnt do and I helped her cheat on exams lol. Anyway about 3 weeks were left in the class and it was the day I told myself I was going to ask for her # at the end of class, which I always left first or ahead of her. This day she begins to get up and as shes grabbing her purse and bookbag she says "Do you want to give me your # in case you need help with anything?" As soon as she asked I knew her real intention. I took her phone and called myself, although I shouldve added my # with a funny contact name like "my lover" or something of that sort.

Anyway I had a gf at the time so I wasnt really motivated to go after her. We texted once every few days and that was it. I was ALWAYS the 1st to contact unless I had texted her late the night before and she would continue the conversation the next day. This was all about 5 months ago. It wasnt until the last month and a half that Ive actually been trying to take her out. Either something would come up for her or for me and we wouldnt hang out. Finally on a couple of days before Easter she told me we can hang out sunday which would fall on Easter Day. Sunday comes up and I text her telling her what time Im picking her up. She replies with

"Im with family now, I will let you know later". I respond to this with "forget it just spend time with your family tonight then but Im gonna smack your ass cheeks when I do see you". She says "hahaaa really" and I replied " Youve been acting up. Im gonna put my arms around your hips, reach to the back and grab and squeeze 1 of your asscheeks with my left hand and smack your other cheek hard with my right hand and have you moaning in my ear" She said "lol please". Some more things were said through text which in short she kept denying and asking if I was serious and I kept saying I was and she was laughing and smiling the whole time like she was enjoying the conversation.

About 3 days go by and I text her again telling her we are going out tomorrow and she asks me where were going and I asked her if it mattered because before I suggested we take a walk in a park and she didnt seem like she wanted to do something so simple. She says it does matter and and I asked her why and told her to call me. The next morning she texts me back just saying "so?" and I said " so what?" She replied forget it. Then I told her " yeah im not going to beg to take you out so forget it" She said what the hell and I said she should appreciate that I even offered to take her out and that she shouldnt try to be picky about where we go. She denies being picky and said she only asked so she could know how to dress. I told her to to enjoy her day as I now had other plans, and asked if she was doing anything sunday. She got angry and asked whats wrong with me and why I would make other plans if I told her we were going out tonight. I told her it seemed like there was gonna be a problem on her side again and that she lacked communication with me. She says she gets out of work at 3 on sunday.

Sunday I text her telling her were going to a hookah bar and what time Im picking her up. I pick her up she is dressed to kill. Very sexy and I hadnt seen her for around 5 months. She seems cold and I try to make conversation but she just smiles or gives short answers. We reach the hookah bar start smoking and the whole time Im trying to make conversation but she isnt making it easy. I start to get nervous and start asking question after question because I didnt know what else to do. I do neg and tease her about her accent and the way she holds the pipe. I dont do kino except for fixing her hair. There are many moments of silence and we both just look around and smile at each other from time to time. Finally I get bored and say lets go. I pay and as we are walking out I slightly push her with my elbow and she laughs. When we get outside I put my arm around the small of her back and then let go after a few steps. When we get in the car I suggest we go to a park and talk for a while. At this point it is aroun 1 AM. We go to the park around her house and again the same things happen. I start asking dumb questions and so does she. How she feels about "us" and what are you going to school for, how many brothers and sisters, etc. I tell her this is starting to sound like an interview and that this isnt what I had in mind, she says Im making it like that and that Im trying to hard. Honestly neither of us had fun, even though we both had a couple of laughs.

Then she says its getting cold out lets go home, as we are walking to my car I come up behind her and hold her. She laughs and asks what Im doing. I reply "what I told you I was gonna do" She says she doesnt remember. So I start to turn her around to face me and as I do I tell her what I said. I grab her ass with both hands and try to kiss her. She laughs like she is playing around and moves her head once, I kiss her neck and then come up for the kiss again and she just gives me a peck. Shes still smiling and says thats enough. We get in the car, nothing seems weird or awkward and when we get to her house she gives me a kiss on the cheek goodbye and asks me to text her when I get home, and I do.

A couple of days later I text her saying lets go to 6 flags and she says shes not going with me anywhere after what I did. I play dumb and ask what I did wrong. She says when you tried to force and kiss me. I send her a loooooooonnnnnnggggggg reply saying that shes right and that I feel bad,sorry for making her feel uncomfortable and that Im interested in more than sex with her and that its up to her whether she wants to forgive me and be more than friends with me or not. All she says is "shouldve thought about that at 1st" . To which I reply " Like I said its up to you but i really do feel bad about what I did and that we should start from the beginning. This was last week and I havent gotten a reply back.

I feel that she gave me a hard time and acted cold on our date because I canceled on her the other day and that she was getting revenge. I know I screwed up acting AFC all because I really like her. I feel like her saying what I did was wrong was just a shit test and I failed by apologizing. Instead of apologizing I shouldve said " I didnt know a man going for what he wants and showing hes interested in you would offend you".

I know that most will advise me to simply move on but I feel like I have to conquer her to get my dignity back. As far as I see it I have 3 options.

1. Let it go
2. Text her now saying " Are you done acting like a little girl? I didnt know a man going for what he wants and showing hes interested in you would offend you"
3. I am going away for 3 months and I think when I get back 3 months later I should reply with the text above ^^^.

The way I see it this might not go anywhere now, and if I try I atleast have a chance or reviving the seduction, if not I still dont lose anything. I just dont want to regret. BTW I have always initiated contact like I said above and we have never talked on the phone, I called her about twice in the 5 months Ive had her # and she never picked up. The only time she picked up was when I was picking her up for our date. I would appreciate any and all advice and insight into my situation, preferably from experienced people in the community but any help would be appreciated. Thanks for reading this 200 page post.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:36 am 
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lol... that is 300 pages and not 200... j/k ;-)
This is what i read between the lines..
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This day she begins to get up and as shes grabbing her purse and bookbag she says "Do you want to give me your # in case you need help with anything?"
this means she was interested.
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"forget it just spend time with your family tonight then but Im gonna smack your ass cheeks when I do see you". She says "hahaaa really" and I replied " Youve been acting up. Im gonna put my arms around your hips, reach to the back and grab and squeeze 1 of your asscheeks with my left hand and smack your other cheek hard with my right hand and have you moaning in my ear" She said "lol please".
she seems comfortable with introduction of sexuality in conversations
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Then I told her " yeah im not going to beg to take you out so forget it" She said what the hell and I said she should appreciate that I even offered to take her out and that she shouldnt try to be picky about where we go. She denies being picky and said she only asked so she could know how to dress
this was good to maintain high status and prize frame.. but i would not hav stretched it so long with the subsequent texts. just a hint of being the prize does the job of frame-control without sounding rude/asshole.
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She says she gets out of work at 3 on sunday.
this was your another chance to seal the deal.
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Honestly neither of us had fun, even though we both had a couple of laughs.
happens sometimes, but not the end of tunnel.
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We get in the car, nothing seems weird or awkward and when we get to her house she gives me a kiss on the cheek goodbye and asks me to text her when I get home, and I do.
could have capitalized on the sexual tension here. but as i say, not the end of tunnel.
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She says when you tried to force and kiss me. I send her a loooooooonnnnnnggggggg reply saying that shes right and that I feel bad,sorry for making her feel uncomfortable and that Im interested in more than sex with her and that its up to her whether she wants to forgive me and be more than friends with me or not.
totally lost frame control. I would have used non-apologetic + sexually + funny attitude.

So, i would send her a text to do some damage control and then go dormant for some time to let her disgust settle down.
something like --
My [your country] secret agents tell me that my politeness treaty was not recieved with open arms in your territory... Time to deploy the assassins. Sleep with your armor onn spartan... !!
btw, me n my frens ~ going [XX] ~ you can tag along ~ m pretty sure you are not on my To-Kiss list tonight :P :D

She probably wont respond, which is not unusual, but atleast this sets up the playful vibe again. Then, wait for 2-3 days and text her some funny statement that does not display needines, but accentuates your socialproof + pre-selection. eg.
All,
[some lady fren of yours] is a super bum :P
never ever i had so many tears, after such spicy lunch.
[checklist item 4 done]

(30 minutes later)
included you by mistake.
[your lady fren] is a nice girl.
she had me eat those things
Nevermind.


2-3 days later..
send some text like --
OMG..blue whale's tongue weighs more than an elephant..
gotta love animal planet.

by this time, she would have gotten the hint that you have much more in your life than her.. and you are not some AFC chump.
This is the best i can advise as of now, from what i see from here, to revive you out of the waters.
We would obviously improvise as things change/develop.

Let me know how it goes.

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 Post subject: Hmm
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:44 pm 
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Thanks for responding Jacklei. Im from an Urban area so girls might not find something like "Im sending my assassins over" amusing but I took part of what you said and added my own touch to it. I said "Seems like I was right about you not being ready for a real man in your life. You couldnt handle the aggressiveness little girl. Btw me and some friends are going bowling if you wanna cum along. You are not on my to kiss list tonight :)". She didnt respond then I sent her " Youre lucky you didnt cum, Im beating everyones ass". Still no reply. That was May 2. I will give her space for now and will try once more when I return 3 months later. If nothing sparks up again then fuck her. Only reason Im even gonna try again is so I dont regret it later. Looking back on it, I made a mistake by responding as soon as I sensed trouble. I shouldve never apologized and should of thought over my response before I sent it. Im usually good with game even though I havent read any material. Instead of apologizing like a beta phaggot I shouldve said instead " You can squeeze my ass back and then well be even." Im sure that wouldve caused a better outcome. Oh well, I guess you live and you learn, but always think before responding to a girl. Another thing I dont know if I mentioned, that I think had a huge affect on our 1st date was that I masturbated twice before our date, not for any particular reason but just because I was horny in the afternoon. Masturbating tires you out and also lowers your testosterone levels, which also make you act less aggressive, it was a huge mistake. Btw I decided that when I come back I will no longer try to get with girls, if they come they come if not I wont be seeking unless its a very easy catch or she shows extreme interest like my last gf. My plan is to focus solely on myself. I will spend more time at the gym and become more dedicated to it. Its the best feeling in the world and also increases confidence. Just some wisdom for any beginners or younger guys, Im 24 turning 25 in July.

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 Post subject: Re: Hmm
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:15 am 
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Thanks for responding Jacklei. Im from an Urban area so girls might not find something like "Im sending my assassins over" amusing but I took part of what you said and added my own touch to it. I said "Seems like I was right about you not being ready for a real man in your life. You couldnt handle the aggressiveness little girl. Btw me and some friends are going bowling if you wanna cum along. You are not on my to kiss list tonight :)"
Dude.. did you realise what projection you made here.. lol

You = "Seems like I was right about you not being ready for a real man in your life. You couldnt handle the aggressiveness little girl."

This looks like you were reprimanding her for her behaviour (which could legitimately have been usual ASDefense). Although this was cocky+non-apologetic, but you totally missed out on the critical part -- the funny vibe..
cocky+funny = attractive, just cocky = rude, just funny = bozo clown. There is a reason for the addition of these two, rather than individuals.

And i feel you already had presented your confidence perfectly by your bold moves to her. Now you enumerating them by specifically pointing yourself out as real man, decreases their influence coz it makes a person look boastful. She already had your image as alpha in her subconcious mind because of your confidence and sexality, but bringing it upfront to her could possibly tarnish that effect. I am no expert, but it does look like this to me... :(

The assasin part was to project a care-free vibe, to the text, which is okay even if u missed out, but replacing it with something funny, or imaginary probably would have been a better choice. Anyway, like they say -- There is plenty of fish in the pond.. so no worries.

Btw, i dont know how much urban this may count in for me, but here in Los Angeles, where i am from ... the assasins joke seems to work on everybody, guy or girl, almost all the times... lol . But hey anyway, like they say -- "To get the girl, you sometimes have to risk losing her"

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:53 am 
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well it seems things were going pretty decent then you got all needy over her and lost the frame

this girl has become important in your mind to the point where you see her as more valuable then yourself, this has to change or you will find extreme difficulties in getting her

in the future, don't appologise for being interested in someone, be shameless about it, the frame you established at first was ''I like you, and I don't care about it and will be fine with or without you'', then after some neediness passed through you and you had a bit of that fear of loss, your words and actions projected a frame that more reflected, ''you are more important then me, I am not worthy of you, I am sorry for trying to assume I was worth something because I don't believe I am''

there is no need to defend yourself for something that you do not regrett, next time go for the kiss more confidently, and if you get challenged and it turns into some sort of negative big deal, then this is just simply not the girl for you, if you want to know how to ''game'' her for this, it is simple, tell the truth, get to the route of what is happening from your perception and hold the perception through a clear thinking non-needy looking glass

if you are under these three options
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1. Let it go
2. Text her now saying " Are you done acting like a little girl? I didnt know a man going for what he wants and showing hes interested in you would offend you"
3. I am going away for 3 months and I think when I get back 3 months later I should reply with the text above ^^^.
then you really are fucking yourself over, because the problem here is your inability to de-tach yourself from this girl, neediness is what fucked you over, and will continue to do so no matter what number you pick, 1-3, if you text her now and you are needy, you will push her away further, if you go away for 3 months and she is still important to you after the 3 months and you continue to obsess over her, even if she starts to contact again eventually you will become needy once again, if you just let it go then you don't get laid and that puts you in the same boat as being needy,

you have to just step away from this situation until you feel like she is cool and all, but you could take it or leave it, and you have to be honest with yourself because just lieing to yourself saying it's not needy that I must have her, will not change how needy you are or what you are projecting in person and over the phone, you have to eliminate your weakness and be sure of what you do while being able to place your trust in others, rather then being unsure of what you do and being dependant on others

it is a fine line between wanting something, and needing something, try not to cross the line


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 Post subject: You both have a point...
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:29 am 
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I guess I rushed things because I was trying to fuck her before I left which was a huge mistake, patience is key. Thanks again for replying Jacklei and pumpington, so what do you guys suggest I do now? Btw my flight is thursday night at 9 which is today so if I dont reply quickly you know why. I dont want or need her as bad as I want my pride back, thats what its really about, not her. I have to conquer this situation to get my dignity back, thats what its all about to me at this point.

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