Have a date tonite (surprise) but this one's different. This girl has a bf, I see her every workday (she works in the cafe at my work, I see her every day and say hi sometimes). She's got a bf, he knows we're going to just hang out but I want to make it more than that. She flirts a bit with me and we text/joke but that's about as far as it's gone, we've been talking on and off for 6-8 months now, first time hanging out (said she had stuff goin on before, who knows).

Maybe she sees me as more than just a friend after tonite? Or as a fb? who knows.

In the end I just want us to have fun and show her I'm better than her bf Maybe we kiss, maybe we just talk. My question is, how do I do so? Do I do light kino, be a bit sexual, flirt and have fun? Or be casual about it, lay off the kino and keep labeling her as friend to her (but opting for more down the road)?

Frankly, I am not a fan of these situations. Anytime you try to do this you're treading on thin ice if you ask me and just making more work for yourself. I really don't have much advice for you unfortunately except for: Why are you wasting time on a girl that's already taken when there are so many more who aren't?

Well I agree...my view on this is we go on a date, see what happens. If it's friends, then keep it friends. If it's more, we go from there. It's only 1 date, I've put little effort into this with exception to some flirting and texting. If we had been talking for 8 months straight and she had a long-term bf then no...but something tells me it's not that solid with him since she doesn't mention him much.

It's just 1 date for now, I'll know more afterwards.

Wow... You'll purposely allow yourself to get jettisoned into the friend zone?

Ask yourself this - do you want to game/F-close her, or do you want to see this go somewhere?

If you want to fuck her - game her. SI modeling, VAK modeling - all work - well. Find shit on your computer for her to watch in your bedroom (I suggest 2Cellos "welcome to the jungle" on YouTube) and start the escalation.

But - if you want a relationship - you're fucking up.

Dude, if they break up - you're the guy who did it... if they don't - you're the guy who asked her over to be friends, and made a move and it got awkward. Otherwise, you're already asking to join the friend zone...which wouldn't be a personal option to me.

RR

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Find someone else to hang with.

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Wrong section.

EDIT: Rodeo Retired has the best signature in mysogenism

the situation sounds dicey but kudos to you for willing to possibly risk your friendship if she is solidly with her bf. A key will be to not deny your desires both as a man and for her specifically while not being a douche who is only intent on taking her away from her current dude. Hell, even if you have feelings for her, so what. Adopt a take 'em or leave 'em attitude. Let her know that you are into her but do not really care what she does. Maybe they will be reciprocated, maybe not and if so, do not give a shit. Good luck.

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And yeah, This is (still) just the beginning.

IMO only rap stars obsess over screwing other guys girlfriends. The latter would be men who are not good enough to leave a sticky situation alone (not that you are, but there are much better situations you can involve yourself in).

Suppose you like her. Suppose you like her ALOT. Then what? You're stuck with a trashy girl who cheats. Feel free to make that your girlfriend, which happens a lot.

Just don't hurt yourself man. I would rather spend my friday gaming a new girl unless this is just a whatever scenario. Then again, we can't always control our emotions...

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The only respectable thing to do is to be her friend until she no longer has a bf...anything else is kinda shady.

Yea she flaked...knew that was gonna happen. I told her that it's up to her to schedule a hangout for us....then promptly deleted her from my phone.

I wouldn't want her to cheat, only if she were single. And if she were up to cheating when she had her bf, I wouldn't date her either because she could cheat on me...and on and on.

Sounds like you figured it out. Smart man!

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