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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:05 pm 
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Lives with two roomates near my apartment. Her parents are from the other side of the country (Brazil). She's really cute, smart and outgoing. We share political/religious/artistic views about almost everything. She is really independent, has lots of friends (except no best friends), loves to meet new people and is always partying. She's 24yo, has two jobs and wants to start her own business with two other friends. She works with social media, and has to attend to a lot of parties in order to do networking for one of her jobs.

Situation:
I was at the top of my game when I met her. I had just broke a 6y LTR and was sarging like there was no tomorrow. On our first date she said that if there was a zombie apocalypse I would survive because I was confident and driven and always knew what to do.
It happens that I started lurking the forum, and it helped me a lot during these initial stages.
We have dated a dozen times for the last month. Conversation was great, sex was great. I was bothered because she never initiated - it was always me. The week before the last she slept over four consecutive days - and it didn't bother me. She met many of my friends and they all like her. On our first week, she had to travel to work and messaged me "Miss you a lot :*".

Problem
Last weekend she had to host this girl from her work that came from US. She had to take the girl to parties, restaurants, beach and etc. I knew she was going to be busy, but it didn't mean she couldn't bring me along. Sunday I went to a club, invited her with her friend. They showed up, stayed for about 20min and left without notice. I was pissed. We didn't talk on monday. I went to a club on monday, hooked up with a girl to boost my self-esteem but it didn't work.
Last week we chatted every day, and dated regularly. Now she just disappeared.

Also, I told her I just broke a 6yo relationship two months ago (one week before we dated). She was one of the reasons I broke up. I was yearning for other women, going out a lot, meeting different people - and when I met her I knew I had to have her. I think this LTR scared her a bit.

My Efforts:
I kind of froze her on monday and most of thursday. Thursday night I got drunk and texted her to come to the bar. She never answered.
On wednesday I tried to call her to lunch but she never answered. Initiated chat on IM and told her I tried to invite to lunch, she responded "I'm sorry I'm very busy". She seemed was a bit cold during the short conversation, though.

I'm trying a freeze out, but I don't have the slightest idea of what is happening, so I feel like I'm in the dark.

Suggestions are welcome!


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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:15 pm 
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Yeah you shoulda totally just frozen, and you still can. Start now.

Had a similar-ish thing happen to me, did the same thing as you, texted and shit, then froze it out, and after a while she started bugging me to hang out (which I actually never did because she was too fucking flaky).

As for her motivation, she's 24 and livin' it up. A lot of girls also don't care to be in a long term thing and like to have multiple partners, so she's probably just doing that.

The most visible pickups artists tend to portray a false image of being able to pickup, anytime, anywhere, and have her desiring you for as long as you want. And they sell that image to sell you shit (I mean ever actually read the emails sent out by the guys running this forum? It sounds like a timeshare sales mailing list...), but it's not always the truth

So yeah, just freeze for now, she may come back. If she doesn't, so what? Move on and have fun elsewhere.


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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 11:01 pm 
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The problem is, she never initiates. We talked through Gtalk/facebook and it was always me who started conversation. Often she invited me when I asked "what are you doing tonight".

But when we're together she seemeed to be having a blast and she always complimented me. I'm getting mixed signals.

I'm afraid that if I freeze her out, she won't initiate.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:02 pm 
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Update:

Got really drunk on saturday and e-mail her asking what happened. She emailed me back saying that she saw me hooking up with a girl at the club and got really jealous. The thing is she was wrong, she never saw me hooking up with that girl because it happened at my place, not at the club. But this made her feel self-conscious and that she she began to question our involvement. Now she thinks we gotta slow it down.

I called her on monday asking her to lunch, she said she was busy. I took a break and went to her place anyway. She got a bit pissed, but we talked, she said she was scared because we were moving too fast, and she didn't want to be the jealous type. And she didn't think she wanted to commit right now. I told her she got it all wrong that the girl was my friend and I wasn't hooking up with her (she'll never know but I fucked the girl only after she left, because I got really pissed at her). Anyway, she asked for some time for herself.

How long do you think I should wait? Should I freezer her off, or chat meaninglessly through IM?

I have two other back-ups girls I can use to take my mind away from her. Should I focus on them and let her miss me? Or should I insist?


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:32 pm 
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Got really drunk on saturday and e-mail her asking what happened. She emailed me back saying that she saw me hooking up with a girl at the club and got really jealous. The thing is she was wrong, she never saw me hooking up with that girl because it happened at my place, not at the club. But this made her feel self-conscious and that she she began to question our involvement. Now she thinks we gotta slow it down.

I called her on monday asking her to lunch, she said she was busy. I took a break and went to her place anyway. She got a bit pissed, but we talked, she said she was scared because we were moving too fast, and she didn't want to be the jealous type. And she didn't think she wanted to commit right now. I told her she got it all wrong that the girl was my friend and I wasn't hooking up with her (she'll never know but I fucked the girl only after she left, because I got really pissed at her). Anyway, she asked for some time for herself.

How long do you think I should wait? Should I freezer her off, or chat meaninglessly through IM?

I have two other back-ups girls I can use to take my mind away from her. Should I focus on them and let her miss me? Or should I insist?
Let it marinate. You've made your intentions known, right? If so, back off - it's in her court. Give it a week, hit a random text, and see where it stands. If she replies - gain compliance, and gauge accordingly... If she's still flaking, I'd snuff the spark - but exit in a good way so as to potentially hit it at some point in the future.

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Sleeping with that other girl was a definite mistake, if you had any hopes for a LTR with her and if you go for your "back-up" girls, you'll lose her for good. She seems too independent to tolerate that.

Why would she be yours, if she can't trust you? Give her space and try to have a mature conversation with her at next chance.


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OK so you know she likes/d you, as jealousy is a sign of interest.

You demonstrated quite needy behavior here, sending her all these texts and emails always inviting her out. Stop for god's sake. You may like her a lot, but if you really like her, you must know that the best chance you have now is to back off.

One, she is busy and has shit to take care of.

Two, she is questioning your intentions as she thinks you hit it off with that girl.

Three, you were incredibly needy after that.

So one and two you can't do anything about anymore, but just back off man. Remember, you're supposed to seem busy, you've got shit to do, it will be her loss if nothing happens here (even though it feels the other way round).

Test the waters again in a week or so. As Rodeo said, make your text something random, fun, maybe an inside joke you guys had. If she replies, keep it going, if she doesn't, it's probably over, sorry man.


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Sleeping with that other girl was a definite mistake, if you had any hopes for a LTR with her and if you go for your "back-up" girls, you'll lose her for good. She seems too independent to tolerate that.

Why would she be yours, if she can't trust you? Give her space and try to have a mature conversation with her at next chance.
I think I wasn't clear about this. When she got to the club, I was shooting tequilas with this friend of mine. She thought I was hooking up with her, got pissed and left. I got pissed because she left, only then I took the girl to my place.
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You demonstrated quite needy behavior here, sending her all these texts and emails always inviting her out. Stop for god's sake. You may like her a lot, but if you really like her, you must know that the best chance you have now is to back off.
Thanks, Tr@veler! That was the kind of answer I was looking for.
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Test the waters again in a week or so. As Rodeo said, make your text something random, fun, maybe an inside joke you guys had. If she replies, keep it going, if she doesn't, it's probably over, sorry man.
That's exactly what I thought you guys would say. And I think I can do that, as I'm have a date tomorrow, and another on saturday. I really really like this girl. She was the main reason I ended a LTR and I don't want to fuck this up.


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Around the time you'd started hearing from her less was there anything you might have said or did which precipitated this? For example, during the previous week did you make any sort of revelation to her, or was it pretty much business as usual?


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OK, a bit of background then.

I know for a fact that she's a bit scared of my previous LTR. One of her friends told me that. I had a 6y relationship to a girl, which I broke up one week after meeting the HB. And I started gaming the HB one week after I broke up. I know, it sounds fucked up.

Also, the week before she "disappeared" we hung out a lot - we usually went to a bar, drink with some friends and end up at my place. One of these days we hung with her friends, we had blast and I was really really drunk. She's not into public displays of affection - but this day she was really affective and I told her I was really really into her. This part is important: I didn't use the word "love", I used another word in portuguese with a similar meaning (apaixonado [google says it's "infatuated"]). I don't think she expected that - but the day after she invited herself to my place spontaneously. This was two days before the events at the club.

I think the problem is that she disappeared instead of confronting me. So she spent the whole week thinking I was an asshole and I didn't know. Looks like it might have burned out, even though on monday I explicitly told her I didn't hook up with the other girl.


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If you want her to be your girl, you have to prove her that you are "bf material" not just a random fling. She has to be able to trust you and to be fair, you didn't do too well with that other girl and leaving your LTR so easily isn't a good sign either for her.

You have to convince her that you are reliable. If you aren't and/or you can't, it's better for you to let her go.


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How do I do that if I'm freezing her out? 12 days since our last hook up and 4 days since we last spoken.


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Picked up this brunette HB8 on friday. She's cute, has a GREAT body (fake boobs) but very low energy. We went to her place and had sex. I slept after the sex and dreamt about the other girl.
Today I picked up another girl at the club. We kissed, made out but she wouldn't come home with me because she just had got a new giant tattoo on her back and it was still hurting.
I'm trying to fuck my one-itis away but it's not working. It's wasn't only physical attraction, it was the whole package.

I'm screwed.


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