Why, exactly?

What's the difference between making chump mistakes on cuter women?

If you try something with that yoga instructor and it doesn't work out... Nothing happens. -------- Thats the worst that can happen.

If you don't even try with her. Nothing will happen.--------- Guaranteed!

Girls are girls, pussy is pussy. Even the HB10's vagina can smell like old cheese!

Wayne Gretzki, the best hockey player that ever lived, once said: You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.



Also, about boring girls... You have to know that they are not "boring" by society standards, she is boring in YOUR standard. Which is why I doubt that you truly appreciate her.

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Dear Optimist, Pessimist & Realist,

Just to let you know that while you guys were arguing about the glass of water...... I drank it!

Sincerely, the Opportunist

No I hear ya' man.

I am only saying statistically speaking, that if I opened up 10 girls in a night and the only one I didn't fuck up with was a 10, then that would be a good night! Better than striking out with a bunch of 10s and going home with a 6…

But yeah, A goal's a goal, whether you hit a slap shot from center ice and pinned it in the top right corner of the net, or you slapped in some garbage puck that the goalie let slip out from under his glove before the whistle.

My only comment regarding the Yoga instructor was that BECAUSE I spent some time gaming a few girls and made some mistakes, learned from them and saw them for what they were, when a good looking yoga instructor came along at a hike the other day, I was very much loose and ready to rock and in a better frame of mind. I had her ready to leave with me after the hike to go get drinks or something but her friend threw up the cock block so I'll wait until next week and try again because she is a regular on these.

As far as the boring girl is concerned. She is boring by MY standards, I don't really care what society's standards are in that respect, nor do I even know what they are.

I went out with her again and kept a very alpha frame of mind and she loosened up quite a bit, laughed and we actually had a good time. I told her to stop any time she got bitchy or negative and it only took one or two of those before she stopped and started being a little more fun. The more I showed that I don't care what happens the more attracted she seems to get.

The total amount of time I have spent with her is basically across the course of a week, 3 very brief meets for lunch, dinner, and drinks — basically a long drawn out version of my typical D2 (or D1 I guess you'd call it if I met her online).

I usually do the D2 multi-venue routine making sure we meet up at a coffee shop which can also be a quick bail-out point, then my favorite restaurant, and then off to the bars in the same area. There are several make out spots with killer views of the city that nobody really knows about, and many unique and interesting things to do or chill to suit ANY mood from wild college party bars to chill upscale wine joints.

If I am having fun with a girl, the multi-venue routine really helps build that mental state in her mind of having had many experiences together even if it is the first night we ever went out, and has worked for me to seal the deal many times.

I find that sometimes girls can put up bitch shields, or for one reason or another have a hard time coming out of their shells. Also, in the same respect, a LOT of these girls who are either super shy, sheltered, reserved or whatever you want to call it end up being absolutely crazy in the bedroom. Then, the whole "innocent good girl shy facade" makes it that much better! So, I always keep that in mind in a situation like this one where I am not sure.

After our few brief meets, now she is heavily texting me and sending innuendos my way about sex etc when just before we met for the first time she was pissed off that I was doing the same thing to her.

Go figure.

Seems like we are going to plan out a long day and go on some adventure together we will both enjoy and that will probably be all it takes to close.

I've been out with the boring girl a couple more times since posting in this thread. The attraction is there, at least from her to me. She doesn't resist my moves on her when I go in to kiss her, or whatever but the second I physically start to escalate she pushes back — like LMR except we are not at the point where I could call it LMR... Almost like FIRST minute resistance.

I think the total time investment here in terms of hours is about 12 spread out over some weeks. I am not making this girl a high priority, but I've had enough free time without any other priorities to spend that much time with her.

We've had a good time the last few outings, and I know she is into me because the more aloof or the more I ignore her, the more she shows it. If I don't text her all day, she will certainly send me one or call me before the day is through. Last time we went out, she stopped at this local famous bakery and got me a really sweet cake that we shared at one of the picnic tables when we were done. She does enough to show she is certainly interested and really gets bummed when she asks me to go out if I tell her that I'm too busy.

It just seems like with this one, every time it goes slightly sexual she pulls away, and frankly it is boring the hell out of me. I won't go out with her too many more times if it does not escalate from where it is now. I am meeting some other girls this weekend, so I have basically pushed this one to a weeknight here and there if I have nothing else going on, so that shows my level of interest.

I think my question here is -- What might one do to build up enough comfort with a girl who is definitely attracted, yet shows so much resistance once you go sexual that it makes you wonder if you are gonna need to make a several month investment just to collect your "dividends?"

She loves nature and hiking, so we have been going to alone places in the woods where nobody really goes, and I thought that would help — but nope, she will lightly kiss but if I try to escalate even slightly I get pushed back, so I freeze out, get up, we go hike some more, eventually I will stop her, kiss her again, wash rinse repeat...

I tried to use the trusted secret kino technique (10 and 2 o' clock on the steering wheel) and she pushed away pretty quickly from that. She wasn't ANGRY, but she keeps pushing back.

Yet, at the same time she hints around to me about her sexual preferences, (what she likes / doesn't like in bed) etc.

The way I can describe this one is she acts very prude, but I know she is experienced. She seems like she has been burned by a number of guys in her past (maybe her personality drove them away), so she has this wall up that nobody can break down anymore.

As I said before, as long as I don't have anything more important going on I am going to continue to see where this one goes, but I am not really goig to invest much other than spare time into it.

I'd like some comfort building ideas that will get past this road block. I feel like she is a lot more fun than I am giving her credit for if I can get her to disarm the bitch shield she puts up sometimes.

Getting her to go on an overnight camping trip or something like to seal the deal would be no problem whatsoever if I can build a little more comfort with her… As in, she doesn't push back when I start to go places with my hands and she lets things get a bit heavier. She has already hinted at it.

4nik. I'd set up that overnight date if you think you can land it. If not - invite her over and ramp it up.

If she has a bitch shield, find a way to break it down - even if you have to say she has a bitch shield - which Iv'e done before...Sometimes that'll break the ice in and of itself.

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

I have her slated to come over to my house in the next day or two to chill in my backyard by the fire pit etc. That should help things a lot.

I have done what you said — not calling her out on her bitch shield, but something to the effect of calling her a Debbie Downer or basically telling her to loosen up and laugh a little.

I think the specific thing that bothers me is she seems to lack any sense of humor, and I have a very sick and twisted sense of humor. I tend to get along better with girls who are more my speed in that department. However, I keep saying to my friends I can't tell if this girl LACKS one or if she is just shy and afraid to go outside of her comfort zone with a guy she hardly knows.

I have no expectations for when she comes over, but if ever there were a place to work the game and get her to become more comfortable and escalate things to where they need to go, that would be the place.

If she hasn't been there before, I'd suggest stay there briefly - give her the tour... then leave for coffee/ice cream/whatever... THEN - when you bring her back again... she feels safe...then kino escalate and fuck her!

Good luck!

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

That is actually solid advice. A little bit of time warping.

I told her we could get my city's best pizza (and it really is the best) so I wouldn't have to cook out on the grill (I am not getting home until around 8PM tonight).

However, instead of picking it up first, I will wait until she comes over, and then go for a drive to go get it. We can even order the pizza on-site as well (this place is so good they refuse to deliver). That way we can be gone for a half-hour to an hour before we come back to my place.

There is a bottle shop around the corner we can also stop at to pick up some brews. That would throw another venue into the mix, and allow her to sample some new beer she's never had — another unique thing to go with the city's best pizza hahaha.

EMC is a great idea! anymore info on this??

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