Im starting this thread to document all of my ups and downs as an aspiring ladies man. I say “ladies man” and not pick up artist because I am looking for something different than just the attraction and lay (More said on that below). I will detail everything for the purposes of keeping track of my own progress, letting others learn from what I do well, and getting feedback for what I screw up.

A little bit about my situation and myself: I am 21, I am presently taking some time off from college, and I'm living in my parents house. It will be interesting to see how I manage logistics to have sex but either keep it out of my house or sneak the girl out as best as possible. My parents view me having sex under their roof as very disrespectful. I dont want to disrespect them, but at the same time I have to have sex. Not to mention they are making me pay rent right now so I have some serious leverage. I have decided that if the girl is hot enough to where I wouldn't be embarrassed if my parents caught me with her, my house is an option if hers is not.

My experience with women: I have slept with 10 women that I can remember (I swear there is one more that im missing though). A majority of them I did not do more than once. Many of my lays have been while being drunk. I have had two official girlfriends, one of which i dated for about two months and then the other I dated for about 2 years on and off. I have only had "oneitis" for the girl I dated for two years. It was fucking terrible. She tooled me in a horrible horrible way. There was minimum sex and maximum drama. Not something I ever want to repeat again.

My goal with women: My goal here is not to rack up the highest lay count. To most people on this site, that is their goal. That is not my goal at all. My goal is to work on developing the highest quality of connection with women - emotional and sexual. I will not be exclusive with any women unless I like hanging out with her like I would my best friend and we are having the most incredible sex ever. I wont go into detail about my sexual fetishes explicitly right now. I might once I develop a better relationship with the forum. What I will say is that many of you would consider me a "freak". So the girl must be able to match me or preferably be even freakier without crossing into the point of "fucked up shit". And im sure you all know what that is. I am looking to develop the highest intensity of emotions the quickest. I want to be able to connect with virtually any women and have us be closer than anyone she has ever known in a matter of weeks or preferably days. From this I want to develop as sexual a relationship as possible, as quick as possible, exploring our fetishes together.

Where will I be meeting the girls: I will be developing relationships with girls I know through social groups, girls at parties I go to, girls I’ve known in the past, girls I’ve "stalked" in the past, girls at bars, girls at clubs, girls at grocery stores, online: girls everywhere: if I have interest in the girl, I’m going to pursue a relationship with her.

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My Manifesto: I have read/watched pick up material for countless hours. Forums since I was 17, David D, Mystery, Style, Gunwitch, 60, ect. - basically every major book and video. I believe every one of these methods works with some personalities and not with others. It is all accurate I’m sure and if done right, can be effective.

At this point in my life though and from how I have seen others interpret the material (myself included at times), I feel that it comes off as a way to manipulate or con the girl into becoming attracted to you and sleeping with you. I could be wrong about this but I think that this is a misinterpretation for the most part. I believe that the underlying goal in all of these is to develop a true connection with the woman that is mutual.

What these books really do is tell you how to not screw yourself over by being too forward, saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, ect. It all boils down to the chemistry though and a mutual respect in the end though.

Therefore I will be perusing these women with no canned material at all. My questions and games (like opinions) I will play with them will be rooted from my own curiosity about them and seeing what kind of person they are. I am truly fascinated by that.

I thought about it and believe that there are only a certain number of people in the world; a certain number of personalities. I really think if it were possible to quantify too it would fall under a bell curve with the rarest personalities being at the end of it and the most common in the center. You could even go so far as to say the shittier more fucked up personalities are on one and the quality pure ones are on the other. Therefore by developing as keen a sense of peoples personalities/insecurities/desires I can find the rarest jewel on the planet.

It could only be done by being so skilled at the ability to gain rapport that a woman will pour every inch of her soul out to you. Most people never even know their own wives this well I believe. Let alone know anyone. In our world of increasingly more expendable relationships, I believe people are getting to know each other less and less; hence the sudden uprising of mental health disorders and unsatisfaction with ones life. I believe people are eager to connect on this level, and if embraced with enough respect and love that they will be ecstatic at the opportunity to do so.

My goal is to build my rapport skills to the point where I can hit the deepest point with women over and over and over until I feel like I know women inside and out. I will become faster with each one and use the teachings listed above as part of my guidance. Eventually I wish to be so good at weeding out women that when the gem comes along I can spot her, because it will be that inner beauty that defines her.

I don’t have any particular strategy for how I will post at this point to keep it organized. My plan though is that I will post progress/failures that stand out to me and are unique. Obviously though, it will be chronological.


Now lets get on to the dirt…

Field Report for 1/2/12

The Group: Hank Panky, LeDuke, VFresh21

Ok before I begin this field report is less of an actual seduction or anything like that and more of a lesson of keeping an open, un-judgmental mind. Its entertainment value is top notch as well so enjoy. Unfortunately I wont be able to go into a whole lot about some aspects of this one because I ended up making friends with these people and respect their privacy. I will just say that one of them is high-profile and leave it at that for you to interpret the rest. I also cant go into many details for my own reputations sake. I am an extremely open individual however there are some things that I like to keep on the DL. If my life goes how I plan it too though I plan to write a no-holds-barred book that will spill everything.

I will start at the time we walked into the last bar of the night. If you are interested in anything before that check out Hank and LeDukes progress journal as it is all detailed very well in there.

So I go over to the bar to sit down, chill out, and get some water. It is about 2:30 AM and decided to start winding down and getting as sober as possible to drive. The girl next to me and her friend buy three shots and then strike up a conversation with me and tell me that one of them is for me. This girl is on the heavier end, but clean cut and has a cute enough face for me. We will call her RB.

RB: Hey my friend and I want you to take a shot with us.
VFresh: Ahh yall are sweet but I really cant im trying to sober up to drive.
RB: Come on quit being a puss drink it! We are getting wasted lets go!
VFresh: Ok if I drink this one shot I am riding home with yall and crashing on your couch.
RB: Ok awesome we have more stuff there too!

This night turned into a very very light drinking night to a getting as fucked up as possible without passing out at 2:30 in the morning.

They keep buying shots and crazy mixed drinks so I keep drinking with them. I’m slowly starting to open up to them a little with the more shots they get me and talking about how were going to go back and get waste. I am not attracted to RB. I am attracted however to getting really drunk and having wild sex. My standards virtually disappear when that is the case too. Some people see this as a problem. I see it as I have a very open and accepting mind. If your not repulsive, chances are if you catch me at the right time you might get some play out of me. That is exactly where we are at in the situation.

We keep on chatting and I flirt with this girls friend a little bit so they both like me. I notice that her friend has a little bit of a mustache shadow on her upper lip. I don’t think anything of it as I have seen many girls with that type of an issue. I just think maybe she has high testosterone and feel bad for her. Shortly after this though LeDuke came up to me to make sure I didn’t need a wing or anything and that’s when I got my mind blown.

LeDuke whispering into my ear: Hey man you good?
VFresh: Yeah man I’ve got it under control.

Then he kind of gets this weird look on his face looking at RB’s friend and goes:

LeDuke: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT A MAN?!?!

I literally go fucking cold and have an internal freak out.

VFresh: OH MY GOD DUDE!

I had the exact same thought at one point. I just thought it was an ugly girl. LeDuke doesn’t drink either so I know he is aware and very credible in his discovery. I begin to worry at this point for myself because I had not a lot of alcohol in me at this point and I still fucked up on realizing that. I decide I need to develop this sense and never be fooled again. It is a gay guy that has a really feminine attitude, thick long nails, and dressed in drag. This guy/girl will now be referred to as M.

I decide to play it off and still go back and fuck the girl though. I realize though the risk I am taking. I have no experience around gays and am worried I might get fucking roofied or something. I am on serious guard at this point and its clear they want to get me as fucked up as possible. I also want to get as fucked up as possible but I don’t want to wake up with a condom in my ass.

At this point the bar is closing and we need to get a cab back to their place. I hail one. We get in and start talking. Apparently M is a model. Im thinking “Ok who the hell do you model for?” So I ask him, he tell me that he models as both a guy and a girl. I don’t believe him. He shows me pictures. I now have no doubt in my mind that this guy has credibility. He is rich, is a model, and has a ton of amazing alcohol. I start to like him. He quickly becomes one of the most interesting people I have ever met. This means I am talking to M more than RB and am curious as to all of his endeavors.

Fastforward to getting back to RB’s place. We get fucked up. I decide that we need to play truth or dare. I want to push M’s limits on what he will tell me about his life and I want to get RB turned on and doing kinky shit. It works wonderfully. We are really fucked up though and cant keep it going really well.

RB goes and lays on her bed. I join her. It is comfortable as fuck. Full tempurpedic. I like. M comes in and sitts on the edge.

M and RB: So how big is your penis?
VFresh: I don’t know because ive never compared my penis to other guys in person. I will say though that every girl ive ever been with has commented on it and that in terms of measurements, it is on the upper end of the spectrum. The last girl that saw its first response to it was “Jesus”.

This gets M really intrigued and wanting to get to know me a little better dispite telling me over and over throughout the night that although he thinks im really cute that he did not want to hook up with me.

We start talking about fetishes. Somehow we bring up getting blindfolded and tying down.

M: Ok hold on hold on! Will you let RB and I tie you down and blindfold you?
VFresh: What are you thinking here?
M: We want to suck your dick and see if you can guess which one of us it is.

I don’t immediately react with “No”. I consider it. I like getting my dick sucked and like I said before, have a relatively open personality. I feel it out and then decide that I am no where near the point in my life where I want to even put my big toe in the gay waters in terms of sexuality. I am not attracted to it at all.

VFresh: You know I like you both and think your really cool but were not doing that.

M persists. I repeatedly confirm to him that I’m not into it. M gets pissed off and leaves despite planning on sleeping in the other room. The intention of these two was clearly to have a threesome.

I start fooling around with RB. We talk dirty. I ask her what she likes and how she likes it. She likes sucking dick, getting her pussy eaten, anal, the whole shebang. Cool.

She starts to bite my tongue and get really rough. I’m not having it. I very aggressively grab her by the throat, grit my teeth, and tell her “Don’t you bite my fucking tongue!” She decides to provoke me to get physical with her more so she keeps doing it. It fucking hurts and I hate it so I start slapping the shit out of her and squeezing her throat telling her to quit it every time. Were having sex at this point too I’m fairly certain too.

She wants me to eat her pussy. I have only eaten one pussy in my life – my girlfriend of two years. I have the desire to eat it but at the same time it grosses me out. (What a fucked up psychology haha). So I want to start eating pussy and consider it. I decide that I worry too much and do it. We start 69ing. I am eating her clit out and fingering her for awhile while she is sucking my dick. Then the worst thing I have ever fucking experienced happens: I watch a line of blood ooze out of her pussy hole. I’m surprised I didn’t puke.

VFresh: What the fuck?! You just fucking blead out of your pussy!!!!!!
RB (casually): I told you I was on my fucking period. You wanted to have sex anyway. Its your fault.
VFresh: Fuck you your right. Some of that shit got in my mouth!!!
RB is unphased. I start spitting on the floor and washing my mouth out. This is fucking repulsive. I just got fucking PERIOD BLOOD IN MY FUCKING MOUTH!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK!!?!!?!!?!?

Well you live and you learn right: maintain awareness enough to remember that she is on period when your deciding how to fuck her drunk. I will surely never make that mistake again.

At this point it is 8:30 AM and RB has to be at work at 10. We fall asleep. Her phone alarm starts going off at 9.

VFresh: RB get up you’ve gotta go to work.
RB: Fuck it I need to sleep.
VFresh: Get the fuck up!
RB: No im sleeping
VFresh: I think your being an idiot but whatever.

We go back to sleep and get up at about 10. Her other friend who is also gay comes over. I talk to them a little and he says he can get me back to my car since she needs to get to work ASAP. Her friend we will call N.

I go outside with him and hes driving a fucking Jeep Grand Cherokee that is lifted with mud tires. Its got a sound system with twin 12s in the back.

VFresh: Dude your truck is fucking sick! Do you mud in it?
N: Yeah man all the time!
VFresh: Man ill admit, I am not super comfortable around gay guys and I have never really liked them but you guys are pretty fucking cool. All of the gay guys ive encountered in the past would hit on me and piss me off.
N: Yeah you probably had one of those fairies. There are annoying gay guys just like there are annoying people in every social group.
VFresh: Very true.
N: Those gay guys are called faggots.
VFresh: You mean a faggot is a certain type of gay guy? I always just thought all gay guys were faggots and that “faggot” was just a condescending term for them.
N: Yeah it’s the worst thing you can say to a gay guy. There is gay, then queer, then faggot. If your gay your just a normal gay guy. If you’re a queer you are pretty feminine and girly. If you’re a faggot you are a fucking flamboyant fairy. Its like a whore for a girl. They need all that attention.

This is some really interesting stuff. We get back to where my car is at and Im starving so I ask if he wants to get some food. I want to continue this conversation. He says he has no money. I tell him I’ve got it since he was nice enough to drive me back.

We eat and I talk to him about gay night clubs. He says a lot of straight girls are there that are really hot. Im interested and want to go. I exchange numbers with the guy and tell him to let me know when they are going out there.

All in all, this night was ridiculous. I had a lot of fun but the best part about it was that I expanded not only my own social circle, but also my mind. In epic proportions too.

It says a lot about a guys confidence if he has gay friends and goes to gay clubs even though he is involved with the typical male social scene as well. This is who I want to become as a person as much as possible as I detailed in my manifesto.

Lesson: Don’t let stigmas rule you. Expand your mind and your comfort zone. Persue what you desire. Dont go down on girls that are on their periods. Be careful when your drunk having sex with a girl that is on her period.

Looks like they were picking you up, lol. What an awesome story, certainly what life is made of.

Just now getting around to read this. LOVE IT. I don't have the balls to get into that situation but DAMN. Awesome.

This is beautiful! I'm so glad you posted the details of the night. The moment you realized what was going on was so incredibly epic. Your face was priceless. You're awesome for going through with it. What an amazing story!

ME: Hey man, you good?
VFresh: Yea, I'm good.
ME: Ok cool. You think my car will be...WHAT THE FUCK, IS THAT A MAN?!
VFresh: What?! What the fuck?! Holy shit dude! Holy shit dude!

That dialogue cracked me up the rest of the night.

Nights like you just had are the reason I'm in the game! Banging HB's and making memories. When we're old men with shrivled dicks, we'll have hella memories to smile back on.

When the bar was closing and we were all going over logistics of who was leaving with who, I could see your reluctance to tell us where you were going, as if we'd react badly to you leaving with a gay guy and a girl. I meant what I said:
"You owe it to yourself, you owe it to us & you owe it to the game to go home with them and find out where this night will take you."

I'm glad you had a memorable night and proud to have been there to see how it started.
Gay men are great wings; believe that...just remain vigilant againt the sneaky threesome!

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Indulgence not compulsion.

3/17 - St. Pattys Day -

I just got back from Panama City Beach Florida and now have a bank account at -$391, a lost credit card, and no cash. I am going out to party on st pattys day but i cant even pay my cover into a bar so im thinking im pretty screwed. I dont want to party sober but still want to party. My set of friends who im meeting to party with are taking a limo out of their area (I live in across town) so I go to the bar to meet one of my other boys for a little.

He hooks me up with $5 to pay for cover and I get in. I dont have a dime to buy drinks though so this will be my first time partying in a dance club sober for a while. Its tough for me to loosen up when im sober because I have such a serious personality. I have been able to break it in the past by just dancing and I did just that. I just started raging on the dance floor not really caring about finding a girl to dance with like I usually do. Within about 5 minutes a girl with a mildly attractive face and a body that was a little too thick starts dancing on me. I dance with her. She is pretty drunk and it is clear that she is into me. I really think I could have fucked her in the bathroom or my car if I asked her right then but as I am sober and she cant grind worth a shit, I really dont want any part of her.

My friends on the football teams for some colleges around my area are here and they have a few girls with them. The girls they bring around are BAD. My boy introduces me to one of them and I ask her if she can dance like a black girl. She says she can. I tell her bullshit. She insists that she can. I tell her to show me. She proceeds to give me some really good grinding. I tell her "shes good at that" and she laughs. I cant remember how we stopped dancing but she was cute as hell and could dance so I wanted more of it. I have a tendancy with girls to be a little awkward though with ones im interested in and I think that kicked in because I got the vibe that she didnt really give a shit about me for the rest of the night. I made sure it didnt kill my mood which was good because typically when im drunk I will get depressed over girls really easily and it ruins my night.

I kept on dancing my ass off and trying to catch eye contact and flirt with the girls dancing on the stage. There was one latin looking girl with MASSIVE tits, a skinny waist, beautiful straight dark hair, and great legs I was trying to get to dance. I made eye contact and pointed at her while dancing and smiled while I gestured with my finger for her to come. She ignored it.

I decided to basically see if any girls would dance on me if I just kept having a good time. I honestly like just dancing my ass off to music whether girls are on me or not so that is what I decided to do thinking if a girl dances on me that would just be icing on the cake. I consider myself a relatively attractive, clean cut, and stylish guy so girls usually think im attractive. Therefore this strategy works for me in a lot of situations. The bar was positioned a little weird and it was so crowded that the few girls were dancing in that area were with dudes and then the other girls were on the stage. I dont want to use that as an excuse though as I could have done a lot more things. It definitely is a factor in my strategy though I think.

My boy on the football team tells me that he just made friends with this group of girls dancing on the stage from another school. They are all really cute. HB 6.5 to 8.5 from what I could see and they were all clean sorority girl types that were thin with perfect teeth so all of them were very very fuckable. He goes up to the stage and tells one of them to come to the porch outside. She tells her friends that and then they proceed to let my buddy lift each of them off the stage and place them on the ground. This is on the stage in front of the club that everyone is looking at. He just cleared half the dance floors girls off. He looks like an absolute fucking pimp and every dude around is looking at him jealous as fuck. Im a little nervous at this point and it breaks my "dancing I dont give a fuck" vibe because I know now were going over to this porch to talk to these girls.

I get over there and dont end up displaying enough value for any of them to give two shits about me. I vibe with the one dude that the girls are with thinking that maybe that will score me some points with them and they will actually want to talk to me (the girls are way outnumbering the guys in our group FFS at this point) but it doesnt do shit. I decide to go back and hit up the dance floor.

At this point I see my buddys from the limo flooding the dance floor (it is fucking 1:30am at this point and they are JUST getting there from the limo. God knows what they were doing but they are all totally shitfaced) One of my boys sees me and picks me up and starts bouncing me up and down screaming. Im tossing my arms up in the air raging to the beat of the music. Im back in action baby.

Some hot girls roll by and one of my buddys looks at them and nods. We go their direction to start dancing with them. I cant remember exactly how it went down but i think it had to do with the sheer volume of people in this club. It was so fucking packed I honestly have no idea how there is a legal fire code that allows that shit. It was shoulder to shoulder in the entire place. Anyway, I am chalking it up to I pussed the fuck out and didnt dance with them.

30 minutes or so later after some light observance and reflection of how I have been acting I realized that what happens is that I see a girl I want to dance with and I dont immediately act and get her attention to either get a yes or a no. This is CLASSIC 3 second rule. I immediately realize the importance of this rule. It is about STATE. One second Im not giving a fuck raging my young testicles off and the next im falling into average frusterated faggot state contemplating over a girl wondering if she will reject me. It is a fucking buzz kill and a waste of time. Not to mention you have to get back in the mood you were in raging which can be difficult depending on how long youve been contemplating. From this point on I really want to get in the habit of the 3 second rule.

I consciously tried to stay impulsive after this. It resulted in me just going in and out of rage mode and contemplating mode though as I was then focusing on being impulsive with the three second rule instead of just raging and dancing my ass off. I know this will take time to develop into a habit though so I am not discouraged or angry at myself in the least.

All in all it was a good night. My buddy on the football team wants me to come chill with the girls (the hot sorority stage girls) he met at the club and watch some sports game tomorrow. I fucking hate sports games. I want to go chill with them but at the same time I know how sports games are for me. I never get into them and always just sit there not really giving a fuck while everyone else is in game mode. It sucks. I might just bring my laptop over to get work done and converse about anything non sports related with the group.

All in all it was a good night though. Im glad I did some sober raging. It reminded me of high school dances a little bit mood and thought process wise. I noticed that I was very aware of all of the social subtleties around me and subtle vibes people were giving off which I liked a lot. I want to do more sober raging as much as I can from now on.

I just posted this in the sticking points forum but since I havent posted in awhile I figured id post an update here.

Here it is:


Im getting a lot of mixed signals from girls. On one end a lot of girls are asking me how I dont have a girlfriend saying im "hot as fuck and super nice". On the other I have not nailed down any fuck buddies yet.

I have been going about girls for the past month or so at many angles. I have been pretty aggressive in online dating and have started to get the hang of that. I have been going out to bars focusing on having a good time and talking to as many people that look interesting as possible. This has had some success lately. Then finally I have been much more social within my own circle of friends. I have been reaching out to much more people and have been focusing on "being friends" with girls. I think that this is my biggest sticking point because I have never been really friends with girls in the past to where I actually care about their personalities. It sounds pretty fucked up when I write it but its the truth. I am banking that my looks and personality will eventually work out for me and have me hooking up with the hot friends and then also their friends in the future when the time is right.

If any of you all would offer me some advice about how this all sounds and if im on the right track or not it would be really appreciated. I dont think I really have one specific sticking point here it is mainly tons of girls at different stages. For that sake I will briefly describe all of the girls I am talking to. This is pretty long so please feel free to read one or two and just comment on those.

My City:

Bartender: This girl is a solid 9. I have heard she is crazy and a total slut. Shes also blonde, short, and has nice nice tits. Sadly this is my kryptonite - crazy part included. This girl has seemed impossible as she has tons of guys constantly hitting on her on her facebook. I have tried messaging her a few times and then I finally saw her out at a bar she worked at and talked to her about it. She said shes got a boyfriend or some shit and that she meant to message me back. Sounds like bullshit to me. I told her I still wanted to be friends with her since she seems really cool and I got her number. She seemed like she was pretty receptive towards it from what I remember. I was hammered though so that memory doesnt have much credibility.

Plenty of Fish 1: This girls got 7 years on me. She is a solid 7 and is the party type. She seems fun and pretty normal despite seemingly being interested in someone much younger then her like me. My feeling is that most people that do online dating dont actually end up meeting up. She doesnt seem too intimidated but we are still working on a time to hang out. Her living 30 minutes away from me doenst help either.

Plenty of Fish 2: This girl is my age and we seem to have great chemistry. She's got two jobs though that make her whole life basically working and sleeping. I have a feeling this one could turn into a nice friend where she is tired from work and wants me to come sleep with her and fuck and not have much commitment until she quits her one job. That would be pretty convenient although I definitely would like to get to know her more if she can free up her schedule more.

Singer: This girl is a good 7 also. She is ridiculously cool and the type of girl that I would definitely be friends with. She is working on becoming a singer and from what it seems is doing a pretty good job at breaking through. We are both incredibly busy people though so it is almost impossible for us to come up with a time that works for both of us to meet. That is when we are both in town at the same time too. We have pretty good chemistry also so I would really like to hang out with her more but the situation is difficult.

My college town: (I do not live her any longer but I visit here a lot)

Raver: This girl seems pretty awesome. She is the party type and a solid 8. This girl i seem to have GREAT chemistry with and is the one who the "hot as fuck...." quote was from. I have a few years on her so it makes sense that she would look up to me. I have never been looked up to like that though from girls. She wants to visit me in my city since we didnt get to hang out while I was over there. I am confused as to why we didnt though because if she likes me as much as she said I would have expected her to hang out. She drove in from a neighboring city though for the parties and had a group of friends so maybe she didnt want to ditch them or was talking to another guy. I dont know. But she seems pretty serious about coming to visit me.


Old Friend: There is a girl who ive known for years and have always wanted to get with. I never have had the balls to in the past but every time im in my college town I will hang out with her. I have taken her out on a movie date and she seems like she likes me too. We have not done anything yet though and she blows me off a lot. She has tons of guys constantly chasing her so I am pretty positive that it is them that are getting prioritized over me. She is a sketchy girl though so I really dont know.


There are a few more but those are the major ones. What do you all suggest for me to get one of them (preferably in my town) to a consistent fuck buddy status? I really dont want to be tied down with a girlfriend although it wouldnt be too bad at this point while i am so busy. I am not having sex though so I am getting my head fucked up by craving it too bad. I just want a girl im decently attracted to that I have good sexual chemistry with. I have a feeling it will come soon If I am patient (I am not a patient person at all. This makes me come off desperate with my game a lot which sucks). What are your thoughts?

I just realized after writing this that all of these girls I have not even made out with yet. I have a few others that I could but I am really not attracted to them and would not want to bring them around my friends as fucked up as that sounds. These are the ones I want to turn into fuck buddies.


Thanks in advance.

She didn't give a shit because you didn't kiss her while you were dancing. She had decided you were a pussy that can't make moves, like so many other guys she knows, and she prefers the ones who are quick about it.
Yup. Trust me, it will.

Great thread, I'll be reading.

Thanks for the feedback bro. It kind of stung with the first one but you could be right. By how she was dancing I should have flipped her around, done some frontal, done some face flirting, and made out with her. She definitely treated me like a worthless pussy afterwards. I am getting pretty tight with my football friends right now so I have a feeling Im going to be seeing more of her in the future.

Hey dude, I just read your updates. I haven't been out too much, so I haven't posted a lot... I'm with you on some of the issues you're having... you get the attraction yet you don't make the move when you see it. We'll get there, I think it's just a hurdle to cross before it all 'unveils' itself.. so to speak.

I am posting an update on my status with all of these girls and my "game" (which I would consider both my skill set and "value" as a potential suitor for females).

I am working on a few things right now that will drastically improve my life. Step One is really to gain financial independence. I am 22 and living with my parents. I just decided college wasn't for me and that I would make a better entrepreneur then employee. I am very close to having this business take off and real money start flowing in that will allow me to get my own place. That is pretty exciting.

Expanding and strengthening my social circle has been another major focus of mine. This includes friends and girlfriends. Throughout the past three years I have been hit with three major bouts of depression that shook up my entire life each time. I alienated myself from every friend I had each time and bullshitted all of them as to what the problem was. The reason for the ups and downs were that I would go on anti-anxiety/depressant drugs and then try to go off of them. I have finally accepted that I need these drugs to function. This is liberating because I am nearly certain that I don’t have to worry about falling back again.

Since summer has let out, many of my friends that go to local colleges are back in their hometowns. They have nearly all graduated too so they are not coming back. My social circles have basically been cut in half right now so I have a lot to do in terms of expanding and strengthening that again.

Here is the status of the girls I have been talking to that I listed before:

Bartender: I have concluded that I came on too hard to her at the bar that one night so she said she had a boyfriend. Although she gave me her number and I know it is right she did not respond to the text I sent. I don’t think she is worth pursuing anymore and I’m sick of even thinking about her.


Plenty of Fish 1: We have talked over the phone and had a great connection and vibe. I thought I definitely had her in the bag. I have tried to hang out with her multiple times and it has been impossible to do. From my experience people get really cold feet when you are actually about to hang out with a stranger from online. I am attributing it being so difficult to that. I told her that I’m basically taking her not making an effort to hang out as her not wanting to. She says she’s been busy. I don’t give a shit and am not wasting any more time with her unless she specifically asks me to hang out.

Plenty of Fish 2: This girl swears that she wants to hang out but her two jobs make it impossible. She says she is very interested but doesn’t try to contact me at all. This situation is basically the same as the other one.

Singer: I hung out with this girl and her friend at her pool in her condo complex. She is a very independent girl with a very dominant personality. I am not really attracted to girls like that so I want to be friends with her more then date her. Her friends are also a lot hotter then her so I want to pursue them. We planned to go out together that night and pregame in her condo. One of my good friends is talking to one of her other friends so we had my friend and I and then a bunch of her friends up in her condo. She has many friends in her condo complex so these randoms were coming in and out that she was attending too. I liked shooting the shit with her friends and flirting with them outside so I continued to do that. I think it pissed her off and so does my friend (who is much better with women then I). She seems like the type of girl who thinks she is too good to come on to a guy and they should come on to her. I wasnt about to do that so we basically seem incompatible. She has been basically impossible to contact after this (although she is already very hard). She says she is not pissed but “busy”. I call bullshit. Im sick of wasting my time with her too if shes going to be this much of a pain in the ass.

Singer’s Friend: This is a new girl and one that I met this night. This girl was into me from the get go and was the girl that I was flirting with instead of the other. I was texting her the next day and we both wanted to hang out with eachother. I asked her and her other friend (who is the girl above) to come hang out in my hot tub with my friend and their friend that he is talking to. She said she didn’t want to and she wanted me to hang out with her. I countered with basically telling her to come hang out with us if she wants to hang out and that her friend is there. She said no. I tried to talk to her to understand why as it seemed very weird and I couldn’t understand the logic. She would not respond. I texted her two days later. She did not respond. Fuck her if she is going to be like that. I’m guessing both girls decided that they should just both ditch me or something and got jealous that I was talking to both of them. I had the frame of just being friends with everyone (or at least I was trying to). I probably should not have prioritized the singer’s friend over her so quickly. I’m not sure. They confuse me and I don’t want to think about it anymore.

My college town:

Raver: This was talking about coming over and saying how she couldn’t believe I didn’t have a girlfriend and how hot she thinks I am. She basically said in text that she wants to have kinky sex with me. Shes not really showing interest in driving over anymore. I basically expected this. Im done with this one too.

Old Friend: Shes still in college town and not coming back for summer. Im done with her either way as she is too difficult.


Synopsis: I am in a terrible position of having basically no girls I am talking to. I refuse to fuck the pussy that wants me as not only am I not attracted to it, but it would be straight up embarrassing if anyone knew I was doing it. Id rather fuck my pillow watching porn.

I have “nexted” every girl I have been talking to and refuse to try any more for these girls. It is degrading to my self esteem to put myself out there anymore to get rejected. If they cant see the value in me then im either not conveying it right or they are retarded girls. I would put my money on the former but fuck them either way.


Here is a recent post I have made in response to some comments about me being a “douche bag” from girls. I want to improve my character for my social skills in general, not picking up girls. Not many people that have responded to this thread really understood that part. I want to be very clear about that here though. If I am displaying douche bag qualities, I want to continue to put effort into humbling myself to build my overall character.

Here is the thread : i-am-a-douche-bag-vt136219.html