Hi guys, I am new to the forum and new to the PUA community. I have had decent success with women in the past but have been looking for ways to improve my game.

Anyways, I went out to the bar with a friend of mine. Let's call him D. I had already picked up one phone number at another bar from a 7 and was content to watch him go land a fish of his own. I said to D, "Man, there are a lot of beautiful women in this place tonight. Why don't you go make some friends?" D looks back at me and in a completely serious tone with a face as straight as an arrow replies, "I prefer to let them come to me. It's more my style." D's success rate in clubs is about 1 in every 200. I'd say he is maybe a 7, but dresses like a 5, and acts like a creep towards girls in almost every interaction.

D has been my best friend for years but I didn't want to watch him walk away with no success for the millionth time. I again told him he needs to go mingle, like this. I then walked over to a four set, which contained a solid 9, and opened with, "Hey guys, my friend and I are having a debate about guys who wear pink shirts. What do you think? Are they just comfortable with their sexuality or is it kind of gay?" They begin talking amongst themselves as I positioned myself to have my back turned to the 9. The convo continued and I tossed a playful neg towards the 9 about her shirt. After a few minutes I began to walk away from the group at which time I saw that she was following me. Everything was going according to plan.

The 9, we'll call her S, comes and sits down beside me and D. I continue with confident body language and playful comments. I then begin to see the long stares that she's giving me with the playful smile. I'm feeling pretty good about this, but I have to piss like a Russian race horse. I excuse myself for a minute and tell D to keep her talking until I get back. Boy did he keep her talking. I return and he is hanging all over her, face about an inch away from hers, making her seem uncomfortable. I walk up and pat D on the shoulder (Man code for I'll take it from here buddy, thanks) but he is relentless. I broke into the 4 set, got the girl away from her friends, started to establish kino, noticed several IOIs, and figured I had the cat in the bag.

D is my best friend and has been for a decade. I love him like a brother but I've never been able to pick up this caliber of woman before like I've been doing lately. Now that I am, D is very interested in going out with me, but refuses to open sets or even initiate a conversation with a girl. It feels like he just stole one of mine. I talked to a few others that evening but the betrayal that I was feeling was fairly high.

D constantly interrupted me the rest of the evening, not allowing me to get a word in, would not let her out of his sight, and followed her like a puppy, which ended up making her run away before it was all said and done.

When I talked to him about it the next day, and pointed out that I had done all of the work, established rapport, comfort, humor, etc. into the interaction, D replied with, "Well I just wanted to give her some options! *hahaha* Look at it this way Slice, You're like a velociraptor, going out and finding the prey, and I'm the T-Rex who lumbers in and snatches them up." This analogy is not true and fairly stupid, this is the first time he had done this, and made it seem that he had considered it to be a colossal victory in his book, which annoyed me further.

So, my question now is, how do I stop not a wing, but a true friend from interrupting the process without losing that friend? Is it possible? And what do established PUAs think about what is, in my mind, stealing another guy's mark? Is this stealing, is this something I should be a little pissed about, or am I being a cry baby?

Thank you in advance for whatever input you may bring, whether you call me a baby and tell me to get over it, or offer helpful advice about how to deal with a situation like this if it arises again.

I didn't read your whole prolix post.

I assume you are saying your BF is a shit wing? Seems hes vultureing/hyenia'ing you targets? Very common. Either you need an agreement on an operating model he will agree and conform to, or dont ever sarge with him. As a note most friends make shitty wings, and in general a good wing is very hard to find. Your expectations may be unrealistic, but you are always better sargeing solo then with a bad wing.

Yeah, sorry that was a little bit of a novel. Acting like a hyena or vulture, yeah I suppose that is an outstanding analogy. I didn't realize it was common, which is why I posted to the thread to ask. I'll just be going it alone then, as the results of that evening were less than satisfactory.

Its very common, even guys who suck with woman will suddenly fancy themselves quite the charmers when their wing warms up the chick and they think they have a chance to get with her. I have had this problem with more then one friend myself and in my experience its very hard to change a friend into a good wing.