Hey I went to the bar tonight with some of my buddies and need some advice,

I'm a pretty shy guy as it is, but when girls are involved I find it so hard to approach if they don't approach me.

Now I'd consider myself a 8-9 but my (shy) personality really holds me back. I just don't know what to say to a girl. Sometimes I'll have a good opener but after that I crash and burn because I have nothing interesting to say.

Help!

For a shy guy, my main suggestion would be to make eye contact with the girls you like, and only to approach if they react positively e.g. hold it and smile back at you. That way you know they're interested right away.

Also, I'd say that you're much better off being more direct, I find it's much easier to generate conversation when you're being direct and genuine rather than indirect.

Learn how to build sexual tension, and to use non-verbal game rather than conversation. Read up on 60 years of challenge and check out some of Aaron Sleazy's stuff.

Being shy is just a mindset you put your self in. If a guy was at a bar, sitting quietly. He may see his self as shy.

But, if that same quiet guy has good body language, strong posture. Head high, making eye contact with girls. And feeling confident in his own skin. Just because he isn't speaking a lot, doesn't make him shy.

I would say don't change your character, but get some inner confidence. Feel confident about the skin you're in. From what you say, you're a good looking guy. Now go cause some damage, be confident. Be alpha male.

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Look junior, as long as you have this mindset you're never a "8-9" so let's put that straight. You don't have boobs so don't rate yourself on looks alone.

Next, never ever rely on girls to approach you, you'll be waiting a long time.

Remind yourself that everytime you're with a group of guys larger than 3, you'll be having a harder time approaching, the chode circle arises. That happens to every guy, even the more experienced ones, trust me.

Get one of your buddies that's serious about changing his ways of dealing with women and become better together. It's alot easier when you're together with a wingman that can push you. Eventually you'll have to face approach anxiety and that's the only way to deal with it. Learn a couple openers and just try it, else you'll just stay where you are for a long long time...

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