After reading the game i can say that it has most definitly helped me with my life and getting women.
However i have alot of friends that have read the game and just don't get it or it's concepts and to take that further some understand the theory but can't apply it, strauss even mentions this to some extent in his book, other Pua's asking what it was that he had that others didn't.

Do you guys think that a certain level of emotional (social) intelligence is required to understand and apply game effectively or is it something that can be learnt by the majority of men.

I read an interesting passage from Hakuna's website :The answer lies in a woman’s intimate relationship with her hamster, the subconscious part of her mind that governs attraction and houses a reservoir of information regarding inter-gender dynamics and the art of romance. Through a combination of genetic programming and consistent regimens of study (men analyze sports and money when they get together, whereas women analyze men), by the time a girl hits her first relationship she is more synchronized with game then you will ever be; intuitively that is. While a seasoned Don Juan can far surpass women in the tactical manipulation of social dynamics due to an unmatchable analytical understanding of the subject; he will never rival the organic game all women are born with.

With this passage do you think he refers to famale game as being like a bullshit detector in that they are much better and screening guys and are more in touch with what they like and want?

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well thats debatable

women dont have have game and its only because they dont need it...

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Well i agree and what i took from it was that women are just better at screening men and are much more perceptive when it comes to whether a man can back up what he is actually saying. But i'm not completely sure.

a pua makes the women realise he doesn't want her,,, he shows her that he doesn't care she's not a priority..... a women with game levels this and doesn't let this happen easily... would u not say?

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Alright well Socio first things first... i completely agree with everything you've said...

But for any new readers let me just put this in context alright irregardless of whether a woman is better at "screening" than we are... Women are known for being socially superior in the typical social universe however one must not mistake this for "game"...

alright so a guy is handing out aid to refugees. He doesn't have to work at convincing the refugees to take his aid for they already want it all he needs is to make it available and THAT is what gives him the power... much like a women. A women doesnt have to work or use structure in order to acquire a man she merely needs to spread her legs and any man will come happily giving her the complete control withing social domination.. So yes socio through this false power which WE as men give them, women are able to level it and control the social environment...

But then only by understanding this does one truly understand exactly how and why the structural body to the game works so well...

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Okay but i am straying form my main point...Socio, Hakuna brings a very interesting perspective to the situation and yes i do agree that for one to truly be able to succeed he needs to have a certain level of emotional intelligence or EQ if you will....

But in retrospect what i was saying earlier does tie in with what you are saying... you asked whether a females game is more of a bullshit detector than an actual offensive go out there and hunt your prey approach as most men take. And yes i do think it is like that in a practical environment but only because we have allowed it to turn into this situation.

Women do not NEED to go and hunt their prey because they know there prey will come to them. They merely need to figure out a way to get the best tasting and quality prey that she can and therefore has developed these "screening" skills and bullshit test in order to ensure that the prey she gets is the best possible...so yes whilst men search for the best way in order to successfully hunt their prey women instead perfect their understandings of what they want and like in order to choose the best prey for them. (FYI but just because its what they THINK they like doesn't necessarily always mean its what they actually want, which is why asshole guys generally get the girl)

But i mean with all of that said i still am unsure whether one can therefore compare the understanding of the social environment between males and females. But i mean if one could, I disagree and think that it is in face possible for a man to surpass a woman within social intelligence which is why PUA works so well?

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Completely disagree plenty of women have game they just do it so often it's subtle and considered normal.

A woman's brain is slightly different from a man's, they've been rewired by thousands of years of evolution. A woman's brain has a larger corpus callosum, which connects the left & right hemisphere. Therefore, the two hemispheres of their brains communicate more freely, and with greater connectivity. Back in the cave-dwelling days, that trait helped propagate the species: a mother could tell when their infant was cold or hungry before it started crying.


Thanks to that, modern women typically see a wider range of color frequencies, they can hear a wider range of sounds, etc. That's also why if a guy is 5 minutes late to a date they can see it as a symbol of everything that is wrong with the relationship...their mind makes connections a guy's brain can't.

And it also makes women more effective at screening. They have a good chance of telling if a man's actions or words aren't commensurate with his appearance.

Very very interesting... where'd u read about this stuff mate?

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This is a mistaken notion not based on scientific fact. Several studies disprove this myth. Here's one of my favorite studies, http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve ... 532?via=sd It says, "...women initiate and 'control' the outcome". Once you realize this, you can improve your sarging techniques to get better results.

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Very true Hellhound, I have not read the article but i can speak from experience. We may appear to be the hunters but in fact we are the hunted. From my experience and observations, women will send out many approach and unconscious invites. From small gestures to blatant actions to get us to initiate contact, if they have an interest. This is why it is wise to be observant/aware and why I always preach it to others.

We still have to be the ones that make the first conscious contact ( due to the history of mankind and courtship) But! You can be sure as shit, if the girls into you, she is manipulating some part of it all.

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The only thing I don't trust science for is dating and sex. I just don't think the 2 mix.

Science can be an important element in dating and sex, it's critical to understand the physiological aspect of it. As in triggering chemical release, and creating connections throughout the unconscious. However! Science does not carry any validity when it comes to the cognitive thought process. ( especially in women, they are all over the map with chaos and random thoughts in the brain)

In my opinion the more you know about the scientific aspect the better suited you will be to interpreting your target and reading between the lines.

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You may be better at analyzing the situation afterwards. In the moment when you are actually in the situation with the 'girl', it's different. If you've neglected to actually apply(put into practice) the scientific information you've learnt, it's really hard for it to help.

Lets say you ARE consciously thinking of what you need to do over the top of all the other noise a newbie might have in his head whilst talking to the girl. It's probably not going to help to start off with, the information's not apart of who he is yet.

The information can be the seed, and it's useless unless you're putting effort in to making it grow(i.e; the social interactions you have). Tyler durden says a similar idea to this in the blu print.

I agree with you in the fact that scientific aspects are good, and takes you beyond a level of just 'natural'. However only once you've fertilized that seed(idea) with experience. Until then it's just a useless seed that can't do shit.

It is not an OR, it is an AND.

Both statements are correct. A certain level is required in order to master game, but that is something that can be learned and iontegrated into your personality if your keep practicing. After a while it will be so natural to you that you forget that you know it and it feels like you have always known.

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But if you say that it can become built into you through repetition and practice, is there such thing as natural? as in if you spend ages learning routines that you can do them on autopilote, does that necessarily make you a natural?

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