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OK. I'm an idiot. I already had this chick eating out of my hand and I fucked it up with a neg thinking I needed to be alpha and keep DHVing her when she was already giving me compliance and IOIs. I should have rewarded her by being nice until she started giving me resistance again.

It was all over texts. I'm sure I pissed her off. Haven't heard back for two days. I sent her a text to try getting her talking again the same day she stopped. Is this normal , should I wait it out? Or am I fucked?

What can I do to salvage this. In general, how do you salvage a situation when you have totally fucked up by needlessly pissing off a woman while trying to look alpha?

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Take a break.

Mack on other women.

Then go back after her.


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 5:55 am 
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you're gonna be tempted to text her again
dont
delete her number
dont post shit on facebook that shows ur upset etc.
hang with other mutual friends, tell them like two days later "yea she stoped texting me, im pretty sure she died or something. oh well"


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negs dont work, only lamers use them


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Lol...at least you didn't tell a girl she put on too much makeup...haha then again..as insulting as that neg was, she showed up the next day with less makeup. Hahahah!


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Oh no one girl doesn't like me.

I had the same problem recently. My advice and thought is that she was probably a bitch in the first place for taking one comment too seriously over the course of thousands. One girl won't change your life unless she was giving you millions of dollars. Screw her and find a new one.


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negs dont work, only lamers use them
yeah. i'm figuring that out. except that you're wrong. they work on 9+'s that know they're 9+'s and have their bitch shields up. i had to neg the same girl in the bar when I picked her up. She was a 9. I only did it once. I made fun of her music. One was enough. On day 2 I did about 5... all because of ego.

I think most people just use them too much or at the wrong times. For example they neg when they are getting IOIs and compliance, or already have attraction. That's where I fucked up. I had her attracted and on the day 2 on the phone in a text and I decided to try to keep the attraction I already had by showing how "bad ass" I am. But you are right about one thing. They're lame. And I'm definitely using them less. Also, DHV's... total bull shit. I'm about DHVing with body language. All this bad ass shit in the PUA community is turning good guys everywhere into a bunch of assholes. We're no longer pussies and bitches, but we're ass holes and dicks. Not much better.

I never wanted to become the jerks who AMOGed me back before I knew this shit. I think the power trip of being able to manipulate a woman's feelings and the ability to intimidate away the guys who used to AMOG and cock block makes alot of us go that way. I'm one of the casualties of bad fucking advice. I once heard "you start as the nice guy/AFC, then you turn into a bad boy/jerk/asshole, then you turn into a player/PUA." I guess it's just one of the stages.

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Lol...at least you didn't tell a girl she put on too much makeup...haha then again..as insulting as that neg was, she showed up the next day with less makeup. Hahahah!
but that would be good... except that it would mean that I can control her easily... and then I'd just not be attracted. poor girls with no self esteem. lol!

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Oh no one girl doesn't like me.

I had the same problem recently. My advice and thought is that she was probably a bitch in the first place for taking one comment too seriously over the course of thousands. One girl won't change your life unless she was giving you millions of dollars. Screw her and find a new one.


Problem solved.
I think I'm attracted to bitches. I only really like the ones that put up huge obstacles. It's like if I don't have to work for it I don't value it. And she's not rich, but she's richer than me :)

But about moving on, so true. and I know it too. I know what I have to do and I'm going to do it. No more contact until she contacts me and move on to someone else. It is what it is. I have oneitis bad for this one. I think it's just that I've been getting good at building attraction and getting numbers and shit, and every girl is more attractive than the last one. But my text game is killing me, so I'm not fucking getting laid right now.

This was the hottest one yet. And I actually liked her for more than her looks. If she was Asian and passed all MY shit tests... she'd be my ideal woman. My text game is killing me. i just need to do a snl and soon. this one could have been a snl too but I wanted to work on my text game so I sacrificed sex for a learning experience. dumb or wise in the long term... haha...

But yeah to everyone telling me to move on. You're right. Thank you. I look at the PUA community as AA for the socially retarded, and you are all my support group. So I just needed to hear what I already know.

My wing is back in town tomorrow, so we are going out as soon as he's back in the door. Wish me luck. Pray to the pussy gods for me. :P

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there is nothing wrong with breaking rapport, it is a great tool, however the problem with negs and rapport breaking in general is that when guys become new to this idea, they think a rapport break is some sort of magical series of words that somehow make a girl want to have sex with you more,

this sadly is not the case, you can not neg a girl into a blowjob, when you come in with this ''I must validate my ego and have her eating out of my palm with these magic words'' mentality, chances are you will abuse rapport breaks until you lose a few girls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tS4JgBbNBE

if you can't spot the negs in the above video, chances are, you don't know what a neg is, or how they are properly applied

a neg is simply a tool, to get attention, it doesn't make the girl like you more, it simply demonstrates an indifference to your target, you simple use a false dis-qualifier disguised as a compliment, it should sound like a genuine compliment, a neg is not a tease, it is not an insult, it is not a joke, it is a genuine compliment in the form of a disqualifier, they are most effective when a girl feels she is too important to give you her attention, or when a girl is in a negative emotional state and not willing to give you her attention, they are simply to help you grab attention better

as far as dhv's go, alot of guys think that throwing dhv spikes into a story is what a dhv is, no these are simply stories that list off times that you managed to dhv, if you want to actually dhv, then actually demonstrate the value, you can tell stories, but you should know they should seem like real stories from your life, and actually be interesting, the theory behind this is, you tell one cool and interesting story, cool! that was a cool and interesting story, if you tell lots of cool and interesting stories as a default, you are cool and interesting, but in my opinion, it is always better to demonstrate the value, rather then qualify yourself through story telling, it's simple but not easy, just be confident and interesting around people and you will naturally DHV yourself

actually be seen with pre-selection, more important then telling a story
actually be seen leading men, more important then telling a story
actually stand up for your friends, more important then telling a story
actually express your emotions without fear, emote through your tonality and body language, if people can't tell what emotion you are feeling, chances are you are not expressive enough

and last but not least,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning

^ the above is what ''qualification'' is used for

to ''dhv and neg'' is not as important as what you do with the attention, you say and do interesting and emotionally stimulating things to get the target hooked on your attention, once you have that attention that goal is met, now you can begin to screen for the behavior you want and subtly try to shape it in the way that seems of most benifit, conditioning is by far more important then the neg or the dhv, learn to qualify it will serve you 1000x more then negging or telling stories

good behavior = reward
bad behavior = punish

what do you motivate your target with?, attention

how do you do this?, make your attention valueable (dhv, neg)

once the attention is valueable, it then becomes your means of a reward and a punishment to begin operant conditioning (qualification)

if girl does something you like = give her attention and affection (escalate)
if a girl does something you dislike = remove your attention and ignore her/show active dis-interest

simple as that

GOOD LUCK


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All this bad ass shit in the PUA community is turning good guys everywhere into a bunch of assholes. We're no longer pussies and bitches, but we're ass holes and dicks. Not much better.
Yeah lol, I laugh at all these discussions here about how you have to be "a real alpha male" because I think a lot of guys misinterpret that to mean "act like an overcompensating douche". And that makes me lol, because you can be sexy to any woman you want without acting like some waxed-chest douchebag gorilla who just escaped from his frat house.

I remember going to a PUA meetup and hearing all the guys talk about how manly they were, how many bitches they did, how "you gotta be a man" when you go out, and all this crap. It was an ego circle-jerk, and it was gayer than the gayest gay bar.

I started becoming a "PUA" before I knew the game existed, and it was simply because I lost all fear or care about rejection and it just allowed me to go get what I want. And I think that's the key, being absolutely confident in yourself and absolutely unafraid of rejection. When you do that, your personality does the heavy lifting and you don't have to rely on dumb-ass gimicks like "DHV". You get high value from just being vibrant and showing her a good time.

Of course negging and stuff works, but I'm highly suspect of using those in some planned tactical way like you would in a war or sports game. Every guy has his own personality and if you just act yourself confidently, you'll do all those things naturally without even thinking about it, and you'll do it with the correct timing.

tl;dr, using PUA gimmicks is for guys who haven't got self-confidence. Make your self confidence complete and things will flow easily.


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Stop using negs and stop texting OP

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