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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:12 pm 
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Well thanks for elaborating.

Just like I suspected. You're a premium through and through Zip. The modern liberated woman if you will. Surrounded by those willing to do it all your way, or the highway. :wink: I hope you're not insulted. You certainly deserve the best.

It sounds like you have a firm grip on things at this point. And you're an idealistic young lady, in a manner of speaking. Nothing wrong with that. Although I can see where many guys may simply choose to pass you up rather than voluntarily enter your version of relationship 'boot camp'. I suspect it's a lesson in frustration. But then maybe a romp in the sack with you is worth it, even if it's all just a depreciating asset long term. :lol:

Yes, of course. It's nice to come into the world with advantages. I mean could you imagine what a FU existence it would be if you had to settle for a truck driver? Or perhaps a fire fighter? Or the flunky back home?

Or in my case a waitress at Waffle House? What a pitiful existence. We all deserve better (and to think, my wife could have married a doctor instead of just some guy from the other side of the tracks. What was the poor girl thinking?). :lol:

I've always been wary of judging people based upon their social and economic status alone. But then I suppose you took statistics in college as well. And knowing quite well exactly how this world really works, I learned along time ago that the buck talks, and bullshyt walks. In that regard we are more alike than different.

I was watching house hunters the other day, and they had a guy in Manhattan looking for an apartment. And the only word that I can find to describe it is 'insane'.

BTW, most people that get into Duke university don't do so on account of their own merit only anyway. But since when did merit equal anything anymore?

After all, you could very well marry someone like the President (he went to Yale). And we all know what a bright light bulb he is. But then what girl with a brain wouldn't want to live in the White House? The man? Clearly replaceable at any point. :lol:

Stay out of those tall buildings up there now, and invest in a decent small flashlight to carry around in your purse (attach a cord to it so you can sling it around your neck if necessary in the dark). And remember, never trust what the authorities tell you. :wink:

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Tricky. I guess the one thing that you can do is to study how you come across to women. You may think it's "friendly," but are you really giving these girls an unintentional signal that you are interested? This is probably not the case, because you seem to be a guy who is in control.

I deal with guys getting the wrong idea by turning into a raging bitch and making men cry. That's because it's naturally a part of who I am, and I get a sadistic kick out of it. You're a naturally friendly guy, so my solution will NOT work for you.

This is a tricky situation, because from the game we know ignoring these women or acting like you aren't affected by their behavior drives them. I'm going to ask my wings and some girlfriends about this one and will get back to you.
Well it's often a difficult thing.

I feel like I'm almost forced to acknowledge a womans sexual presence non-verbally, even though I may not be actively interested in pursuing anything further with her. Being a former Marine I've always had a rather strong presence and non verbal communication skills. If this is an unintentional signal, then so be it. I just call it being polite, and kind.

The other option? Treat her like an ugly, slutty bitch. You know like a chick treats guys she's not interested in (this is supposed to be funny). :lol:

Whereas one may be sexually or emotionally attracted to a woman, logically men must distinguish between wanting to do something and actually pursuing a particular woman, for obvious reasons. Whereas a woman may control who gets into her bed or not (never take a woman to her place for sex unless you know her well or you're armed), men make the decision whether to pursue a particular woman or not.

It's not really a big thing. Women, unlike guys, especially here in the south aren't very aggressive. They are somewhat easily discouraged.

But I have faced situations in the work place where I found my job in jeopardy or my career derailed because i didn't act according the way some little honey, that just happened to be slightly higher in the food chain and that acted like she spent the majority of her life locked in a closet, thought I should. As if how could I possibly not be trying to hump her leg constantly like the other losers she's used to surrounding herself with. After all, I should know my place.

Now that I'm in a higher social position than they are it's just really not much of a problem anymore.

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hey zipp, I know approaching girls at work isnt impossible, but I'm never really sure how to discern the sales friendly from the friendly-friendly unless i start getting IOIs. now im talking retail girls, and I'm kinda uncertain as to what the best way to transition with a girl in a retail store, would it be just like any other girl, just go from simple convo to comfort build?

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Your ideas on new opportunities are extremely interesting, and I really didn't consider that part of my comment of "changing the world." In regards to the point in question: of course, I used slight hyperbole to get my point across, but maybe I didn't need to.

Completely disregarding the point of PU (to get with women,) the "leak" is what I think has untapped potential. Now, I know that I am not the first person to 1.) notice 2.) theorize 3.) or experiment with this notion. However, I do believe that the number one residual effect with the potential to be taken in a completely new direction is internal game.

Without getting all Utopia on everyone, I'll just leave it at this: With the mainstream attention this community has been getting, the community's exposure is almost exponentially growing. This attention will cause the game to change. This change (I believe) will be tapping into these residual effects.

It's hard to go into detail without sounding like a total communist. Also, I'm still working out this theory, so you've kinda caught me with my pants down on this one. As soon as I have it refined, I'll let you know :)

Maybe y'all can help me on this one. What do you think? Is it total BS or is there potential here?
Zip, I agree with you that it does all boil down to inner game and that there is a lot of potential there. Because, once you get your inner game where it needs to be, I believe everything else starts falling into place anyway.


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To hear some guys describe it, you would think this modern pick up movement invented the art of male/female interaction from the male perspective.

This is of course a ridiculous assertion.

I think it is only broadening or introducing opportunities for those who may have simply been content to sit on the sidelines before, or who were forced to learn the game over decades instead of a few years.

Not to mention the obvious societal differences that have taken place for the past 20 years or so. Changes that in many cases has made meeting, attracting and connecting with single women more difficult and challenging for the average fellow.

Pick up isn't an end to itself. Nor is it some magic pill. It's simply another skill among many that must be mastered to be a successful, happy and thriving human being. It alone will not do it for you. It is simply another educational resource.

To elevate it to some sort of religion, lifestyle in itself or cult type following is a misplaced value in my opinion.
Starbuck, you keep making this point, thankfully, and a lot of guys keep either ignoring it or flat out missing it.

This whole thing is meant to "enhance" what we already have.


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For women, this does not start out as a conscious decision. It's about attraction.
GUYS . . . this is a woman telling you this. If THAT isn't enough to pound it in . . . nothing will! lol.


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BTW, that comment about BF#2 is sort of a running inside joke with me and Tripp,
Damn, I guess we need a new inside joke now? :wink:

Put forth what runs through a woman's head when she receives flowers or some simliar gift from a guy that she's met once but doesn't really know.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:20 am 
Zip, this is a copy and paste from Simcity. I myself have this issue at times, as you know. I feel like you could give a very interesting female perspective to this:

Sometimes I feel that however attracted you are to someone and they are to you, there is still the issue of the jealous Ex-girlfriends, the jealous friends, generally Jealous people.

If they see someone has something they can't have they do everything in their power to get between them.

eg. Getting you to let slip on things behind your partner's back. (easy when you are drunk)
Seducing you to make your girlfriend jelous.
Spreading rumors (whether they be true or not)


comments like "Oh, he's a player, stay well clear", "doesn't he already have a girlfriend?", "he said he slept with you",


I need tips on how to overcome this, as it's the ONLY problem I have. If not then I'm just going to have to go round sleeping with randoms.


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BTW, that comment about BF#2 is sort of a running inside joke with me and Tripp,
Damn, I guess we need a new inside joke now? :wink:

Put forth what runs through a woman's head when she receives flowers or some simliar gift from a guy that she's met once but doesn't really know.
It's nice on a gentlemanly level, but it feels like that because our mothers and grandmothers have told us that it's nice. Think about it, it's really weird. I don't know you very well, why are you buying me things? I start to think you're buying my attention, or buying a kiss at the end of the night. It's too easy. Plus, I have to carry them around, bla bla bla.

However, it also depends how you do it. Impromptu casual gifts are fun, and by that I mean we're walking down the street, you see a flower hanging off a tree or whatever, you grab it and give it to me. That can be done well.

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Zip, this is a copy and paste from Simcity. I myself have this issue at times, as you know. I feel like you could give a very interesting female perspective to this:

Sometimes I feel that however attracted you are to someone and they are to you, there is still the issue of the jealous Ex-girlfriends, the jealous friends, generally Jealous people.

If they see someone has something they can't have they do everything in their power to get between them.

eg. Getting you to let slip on things behind your partner's back. (easy when you are drunk)
Seducing you to make your girlfriend jelous.
Spreading rumors (whether they be true or not)


comments like "Oh, he's a player, stay well clear", "doesn't he already have a girlfriend?", "he said he slept with you",


I need tips on how to overcome this, as it's the ONLY problem I have. If not then I'm just going to have to go round sleeping with randoms.
This is a very tricky issue. Believe it or not, I have to deal with a lot of jealous girlfriends who are f'ing crazy because I'm friends with their boyfriends. Most of my closest friends are male, so I've been dealing with this issue my entire life. The thing that sucks is it's a bit out of your control. You can't stop it from happening, necessarily, but you can do certain things to minimize the consequences.

The thing I've always done has been to be completely honest about my life, not give out more information than is necessary, don't give details about sexual encounters to my social circle and act like I don't give a fuck.

These people are trying to get a reaction out of you or to affect you in some way...so if you take away the reaction, you take away their power.

The only way to "control" these people is to make them believe they have absolutely control over you. You intercept their formula and somewhat control the outcome

Hater's formula: talk shit + community response + your response + community interest = power to the hater

Player's disruption: hater talks shit + community response - your response (because you don't give a fuck) + community moves on = stalemate.

Eventually, the "haters" give up because they aren't getting the result they want. Now that's really simple, and this problem is more complicated, but maybe you see what I mean? Eventually, you start affecting the outcome by passively diffusing it.

Now, not giving a fuck and not responding sometimes is not an option:

I had a jealous girlfriend physically threaten me over the phone. I kept on trying to reason with her and explain that I am not a threat to her, I have not and will never hook up with her boyfriend, etc. Reason does not work. Once she threatened me, I threw dominant power line (names changed):

Katie: "Zip, if you ever hang out with my boyfriend again, I will do something so awful to you..."
Me: (laugh) "Katie Smith. I'm Zip. What could you possibly ever do to me?"
The question was clearly rhetorical, and she backed off. This exact response is a bit tricky, because you're basically goading them into action. I knew it would work because she was on a lower social tier. This is an extreme situation and more direct than anyone may want to be, but maybe it will give you an idea of the control theory I'm talking about.

Now, sometimes having a "rep" works for you, when you are male. And also when you let others do the "talking" for you. It's the "bad boy syndrome" I've talked about before. Women are always drawn to more promiscuous men or to the "bad boys" because they believe they will be the one to change them. That's the sickness.

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When a guy tells a story about himself do you like a big amazing story or a short story that tells you something about him but isn't to blown out of proportion?

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When a guy tells a story about himself do you like a big amazing story or a short story that tells you something about him but isn't to blown out of proportion?
I personally want an amazing story. I get bored when I'm talking to someone and they get all humble. I don't have time for it. I always have time for entertainment.

However, a nice dash of self-deprecating humor thrown in keeps me from thinking you are a total ass, but not necessary. It can be done in a way that isn't DLVing yourself, but that takes finesse.

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hey zipp, I know approaching girls at work isnt impossible, but I'm never really sure how to discern the sales friendly from the friendly-friendly unless i start getting IOIs. now im talking retail girls, and I'm kinda uncertain as to what the best way to transition with a girl in a retail store, would it be just like any other girl, just go from simple convo to comfort build?
Sorry I missed this question, didn't see it. I'll attack it when I get off of work.

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Ok Ok let me put this in a different question. Do you like it when a guy talks about his sexual exploits in an attempt to impress you or brag? I tend to keep these things under wraps because I feel it turns women off. Unless its in the forum I believe you should not tell a girl about your sex life to much, because it doesn't do anything to help in my personal opinion.

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Ok Ok let me put this in a different question. Do you like it when a guy talks about his sexual exploits in an attempt to impress you or brag? I tend to keep these things under wraps because I feel it turns women off. Unless its in the forum I believe you should not tell a girl about your sex life to much, because it doesn't do anything to help in my personal opinion.
If it is unsolicited, yes. It turns me off. However, if I'm pressing for information, I am asking to be turned on. Extra points for making me work for the information.

This applies, generally speaking, to every single woman on the face of the earth. (okay, slight hyperbole)

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