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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:25 pm 
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Introduced myself here a couple of weeks ago as being quite a noob and with an open invitation to go sarging or exploring PU. Buccaneer took up the call to introduce me to PU. (Many thanks).

After asking him for some clothing advice he sent me out (optionally) for a peacock item). Spent an afternoon looking for a cheap necklace? or ring or some other thing that would make me stand out or set me apart. I'm not really a bling-bling wearer, and after buying some cheap trinkets i came to the conclusion that the best thing to wear for me as an accessory was my old watch. Didn't wear it because of a dead battery.

We agreed to meet in a club in Amsterdam, where he introduced me to some friends and his usual wing (who wasn't going to sarge that night).
After a few minutes the 2 of us separated ourselves and set ourselves at a table to get to know each other a bit better and assess my skill level. We talked through the basics of PU and life-building. He also gave me a cheat-sheet as example.

After a few minutes -his friends had left to another club- we moved to the dancefloor, where we discussed my posture and movements. After Buccaneer had pointed out a few sets ready to be opened i started again! a these-sentences-don't-work-because-they-aren't-mine-and-I-wouldn't-know-how-to-follow-up discussion.
So he decided to open a first set to show me how to open a set. He told me to stand back and observe a momend and took a four-set at the bar as example.
Missed his physical approaching, but I did notice upon his entering the group (diamond position) he immediately got physically shut out by a fat chick. He stepped around her and continued his [opener: my friend says that if he puts wax in his hair girls/women touch it more often].
He shut the fat chick physically out, which made her leave and another follow. Buccaneer was left with 2 HB. I walked up and he introduced me in a value elevating manner. He kindly asked if I spoke German, I exaggerated with: Ein sehr klein Bisschen. We made some smalltalk with meager response, but it was a conversation though. He showed me that despite the meager response you could still casually invite 2 women to meet later in the bar where Buccaneers friends already were and we were soon going to.
We said goodbye and he took me apart for evaluation of the many things that happened.
Now it really was my turn, which I really tried to postpone, I told him I was going to approach a two set sitting at a table next to the dancefloor. During my approach I didn't see myself, coming out from the dancefloor, stand over (at) their table, speak over the music and use the same opener (which i wanted to make more of my own, but wasn't creative enought to modify it). So i decided to walk along in search of something that looked more accessible. There were ofcourse many more sets, which i all couldn't open my mouth to. So i returned to Buccaneer, who again told me -well ment- that i was going to crash and burn anyway and that the doing was what mattered.
After looking way too long around and at a bored 2set at a table sitting opposite of each other in the seating area. I told him I was going to open the bored ones with one of his other [openers: what's the difference between Easter and Pentecost?].

We decided that he would get some drinks and that I would open the set.
I walked past them and sat down at the table next to them.
I didn't really knew how to speak to them. Especially with the closest one, though sitting parallel, looking away. looked at them via the long mirror at the wall opposite of us, got caught.
Tried not to look bored. Buccaneer returned with the drinks, sat down on my other side and asked if I had made any move at all. I said that I thought I/we needed to appear to have an actual conversation about the topic or something. This in appearance being true by having a discussion about it, I turned around towards the woman closest to me. I Tried to speak very loud so that she would heart me clearly. She just put her hand in front of her face and looked even more away if possible. So I told her even more loud that she was being rude. At that point Buccaneer pulled me back and told me that I was way too aggressive/angry. Disagreed, she was being impolite.
He advised me,next time, to open the woman opposite of her, almost facing me, and do so not after waiting around forever and not to get angry.
We declared the club dead and left.

Outside, we evaluated things a bit and a spanish chick passed behind my back with a cigarette between her fingers.
Buccaneer asked her with a clear voice if she needed a light.
I was the one smoking and the one with the lighter, but after offering her a light, she introduced herself to Buccaneer and ignored me completely. Conversationwise no problem with that, they were talking, not me, but upon introduction I deserved to get introduced to.
Didn't really matter. Whilst Buccaneer was making convo, I was looking at the chick her friend. I just caught her walking off towards a bigger group of friends. I thought all went way too smooth.
Upon the friend entering her group they started to do some hive-like thing. Their sounds were more pitched than the buzzing of bees, but their moving inwards and outwards, up and down around a centerpoint, hugging. Bees. After their ritual one woman returned towards us. Which was some kind of signal for the woman Buccaneer was talking with, to leave. They met halfway and another hugthing.

We went to a bar, where we were supposed to meet Buccaneers friends again. They had already left and we ended up at a floor looking down on a live band. It was my turn to open a set again.
There were several sets dancing and standing around. I moved more towards the balustrade "to have a better view" and to not approach a set from behind. Standing there I realised I had nothing to say to the set. Mostly because I couldn't find my balls and there was no interest from thema whatsoever. I decided to talk to the bartender. Lame move, but I still needed to complete my StyleLifeChallenge: smalltalk with 5 people.
I admitted that though I wanted to approach I was sort of done.
We discussed some more posture and male-male physicak contact. I move to much and often take on a closed posture. And I'm not that comfortable with physical contact. Especially with men. I never really knew what to make of it, or why men would need to touch me/each other at all. -my only answers are trying to establish dominance or being gay.
Apparently you're -I am- not being open with a beer in front of my chest.
Our physical expressiveness and extravert movements did draw the attention of the set I didn't dare to open 10 mins. before.
We called it a day.
Walking towards the car, Buccaneer showed that it really isn't that difficult to talk to strangers.
We discussed some more innergame, I clearly lack self-discipline, a plan and some other stuff.
He dropped me of at the station, and i left with a positive feeling about myself and the evening. In the train I found the cheerful and happy women, quite depressing.

After arriving at my stop, I encountered a colleague hanging at the station with 2 women. One pretty. I walked up to them greeted him with a confident voice. He greeted me as introduction to them (not vice versa).
The pretty one took some rediculous stuff out of her bag, gave it to my friend, who tried to hand it over to me while she continued to unpack her bag.
She grabbed it out of his hands before he could give it to me, whilst saying: Scary men aren't allowed to touch my stuff!
I responded with a gruff: Well I have an opinion about you too.
It put her in her place and after that I got treated better by both women.
After some smalltalk I went home.
I liked my wittyness, but I don't really understand why she said what she said and why she made me do that.

So I have spoken to a womans hand and Buccaneer had 2 really good openings and several less serious ones.

This is my report and thanks to Bucc


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:58 am 
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I need structure, with my learning to pick up women and in general as well. Currently I have a lack of it.

In the future, I'll keep it more to the point than my previous post.
Feel free to give feedback if you like. I am trying to improve myself.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Mostly I need to improve my inner game. For now at least.
Like I said: I need structure. And tnx Hobbit indeed this is going to be some kind of journal.

Some kind of declaration of intent
I work shifts, this without having had any structure to begin with, lead to quite an unstructured life and some nasty habits.

Things I'm currently trying to improve: simple daily life stuff, my mindset and inner game.

My sleep pattern:
used to be: to bed at 2-4 a.m; not at all; a 36 hour rhythm.
now: somewhere between 11 p.m. and 2 a.m.

Need another job. For a lot of reasons.
But I think for a paradigm change I'm keeping in mind: do what I like to do.

Keeping my place tidy.
Still haven't got the discipline to do the dishes every day.
Ironing my clothes: should do that more often than just for weddings, funerals and applying for a job.
Did rearrange my furniture to make it more cosy. So that it would be a more pleasant experience for others and myself (in a passive way). Personally I would like to live in a warehouse or rectangular shaped apartment with one long aluminum, industrial cupboard(?) against one wall. And everything stored in a logical way. I admit that my fantasy didn't look that warm and welcome for women to me, so recently I started to add accessories and i decided that I could vary the type and of doors of the cupboard and suddenly my imaginary apartment and women don't look like 2 mutual exclusive ideas.
Trying to improve my real apartment in a similar way, but I'm still not a guy who has candles in his house.

? => !
I'm trying to be more pro-active. Never really was the physical alpha-male, I was and probably still am smart, so I was more consensus oriented than to just simply lead because I'm the alpha-male. I need not to forget the lead part. And pick up some balls somewhere.
I'm trying to convey my message in a more positive way:
for example I could have picked a more postive title for my original journal title [A noob under supervision].

That's it for now, I still have to write a FR, but I'm trying to manage time and money better and there's a place I need to end up tonight and I still need to clean up the mess from re-arranging my apartment.
FR. will follow soon.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:41 pm 
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Me in a bar at a table with 3 friends.
After an evening of drinking beer -it was my birthday and not a pickup night- an HB8 suddenly sat down at our table and she opened us. She clearly had an interest for one of my friends. I was quite impressed by her confidence and the way she did open us as a set. But my friends aren't that interested in women, haha.
So after she left, I thought well, I need to know more about how she did what she did and decided that I wanted to talk to her about that. In hindsight and sober, that was quite a lame thing to want to talk about. Or can you ask a woman how she built an inner game like that? I think lame.
But I had my non-canned opener, I knew that the best I could and what I wanted to get was a serious? conversation. And the worst case would be her actually saying that I should act less lame.

The chick had returned to her friends, i walked around the set and approached from a 70 degree angle. I asked her if I could speak to her a few minutes outside the bar - a not that private place, quite a lot of people I thought that wouldn't be a too uncomfortable place for her to have a conversation.
Despite the fact that I hadn't spoken to her at all when she was gaming my friends and the only thing she knew about me was that it was my birthday (and that I have fun friends), she agreed. Suddenly her friend HB7.5 intervened by saying: No only if I can come with her I won't be leaving her alone.
I responded a bit hesitating with: "Well, that wasn't exactly what I had in mind."
Then I realised that that would mean losing both, so I continued with: "Well okay, come along if you like."
Whilst walking towards the door I was convinced that this wasn't going to result in the conversation for which it wasn't probably the time and place anyway.
Upon walking through the door a dude spoke to me. I tried to blow him of, but he ignored that. I thought that he was gay. Don't really like being come on to by a man. Or being touched.
I tried to turn around towards the 2 HB which had followed me outside. He turned around into my set. He engaged them into a conversation before I could, but meanwhile he was nudging with his foot against mine.
I thought: Fucking faggot! I'm trying to engage in a conversation with 2 HBs and you're touching me and I don't like to be touched like that! So I receded my foot a bit. And this happened again, and again.
I got a bit annoyed and with the HB7.5 responding more to him than the HB8 I said to both of them: I wanted to have a conversation with... (the HB8), so If you 2 have your conversation over here, than let us have the conversation on the other side of the (see-through) fence.
At this point it all collapsed. they responded with a no. The 7.5 pulled the HB8 back into the bar saying: "We have to get back a friend of us is getting/being(?) raped inside!" I responded: "I do not believe that."
At which the HB7.5. replied: "We still have to get inside!"
I said trying to keep my composure: "I DO believe that!"
The fag left, and funny: a man a generation older approached me and told me to stay outside for a minute to regain my composure.

Hindsight:
My opener wasn't my question about how to get and maintain a mindset like the HB8 had, but: "Can I speak to you for a couple of minutes outside?"
The fag wasn't a fag but trying to open my set and with his feet creating a better position in the set.
me-fag-older man, in that order increasing level of skill and (life) experience.
Would my friend have had an interest in the HB8, it would have been quite rude what I did. I actually called him the next day to verify that my assumption of his disinterest was correct and that I didn't fuck up his game.
I don't know if calling bullshit bullshit is a good thing.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:49 pm 
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Me in a bar at a table with 3 friends.
After an evening of drinking beer -it was my birthday and not a pickup night- an HB8 suddenly sat down at our table and she opened us. She clearly had an interest for one of my friends. I was quite impressed by her confidence and the way she did open us as a set. But my friends aren't that interested in women, haha.
So after she left, I thought well, I need to know more about how she did what she did and decided that I wanted to talk to her about that. In hindsight and sober, that was quite a lame thing to want to talk about. Or can you ask a woman how she built an inner game like that? I think lame.
But I had my non-canned opener, I knew that the best I could and what I wanted to get was a serious? conversation. And the worst case would be her actually saying that I should act less lame.

The chick had returned to her friends, i walked around the set and approached from a 70 degree angle. I asked her if I could speak to her a few minutes outside the bar - a not that private place, quite a lot of people I thought that wouldn't be a too uncomfortable place for her to have a conversation.
Despite the fact that I hadn't spoken to her at all when she was gaming my friends and the only thing she knew about me was that it was my birthday (and that I have fun friends), she agreed. Suddenly her friend HB7.5 intervened by saying: No only if I can come with her I won't be leaving her alone.
I responded a bit hesitating with: "Well, that wasn't exactly what I had in mind."
Then I realised that that would mean losing both, so I continued with: "Well okay, come along if you like."
Whilst walking towards the door I was convinced that this wasn't going to result in the conversation for which it wasn't probably the time and place anyway.
Upon walking through the door a dude spoke to me. I tried to blow him of, but he ignored that. I thought that he was gay. Don't really like being come on to by a man. Or being touched.
I tried to turn around towards the 2 HB which had followed me outside. He turned around into my set. He engaged them into a conversation before I could, but meanwhile he was nudging with his foot against mine.
I thought: Fucking faggot! I'm trying to engage in a conversation with 2 HBs and you're touching me and I don't like to be touched like that! So I receded my foot a bit. And this happened again, and again.
I got a bit annoyed and with the HB7.5 responding more to him than the HB8 I said to both of them: I wanted to have a conversation with... (the HB8), so If you 2 have your conversation over here, than let us have the conversation on the other side of the (see-through) fence.
At this point it all collapsed. they responded with a no. The 7.5 pulled the HB8 back into the bar saying: "We have to get back a friend of us is getting/being(?) raped inside!" I responded: "I do not believe that."
At which the HB7.5. replied: "We still have to get inside!"
I said trying to keep my composure: "I DO believe that!"
The fag left, and funny: a man a generation older approached me and told me to stay outside for a minute to regain my composure.

Hindsight:
My opener wasn't my question about how to get and maintain a mindset like the HB8 had, but: "Can I speak to you for a couple of minutes outside?"
The fag wasn't a fag but trying to open my set and with his feet creating a better position in the set.
me-fag-older man, in that order increasing level of skill and (life) experience.
Would my friend have had an interest in the HB8, it would have been quite rude what I did. I actually called him the next day to verify that my assumption of his disinterest was correct and that I didn't fuck up his game.
I don't know if calling bullshit bullshit is a good thing.
I don't even know where you were going with that opener. Also, sometimes you need to use people around you as an asset. If you would have befriend that guy, he could have distracted one of the girls.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:40 pm 
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I don't even know where you were going with that opener.
I agree with you there hawksterG, and direction is a next step. Currently I'm just trying to engage in a(ny) conversation, and get a chick to respond in a postive manner. More StyleLifeChallenge than real PU.
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Also, sometimes you need to use people around you as an asset. If you would have befriend that guy, he could have distracted one of the girls.
Currently most of my friends aren't up to that. And I'm coming from my friends frame of mind. From a 'in general not being interested' to 'being interested in women in general/a-selective' frame, is having to compete and competitors coming out of nowhere also quite new. Befriending them and/or dividing the set, I don't know how to do and communicate that yet.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:53 pm 
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I actually said "hi" to a HB on a train, whilst having no topic to speaker about. I usually get stuck at the "what should I say?"-question and get stuck in a loop.

Anyway, we sat on opposing benches in the train, diagonally. She invaded my space with her feet and cleared her throat. I looked at her, she was looking at her Ipod -earpluggs in- so I continued on my phone.
She cleared her throat again and I looked again. She looked at me and I actually said "Hi." She looked a bit annoyed and looked at her Ipod again. She still clears her throat and still invades my space. After 10 minutes the throat clearing stops.

/*
Still don't know if this is my place, but haven't written this of entirely.
I was a bit grim most of the time.
Perhaps more soon or later later...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:14 pm 
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Hi man,

Fun to read your rapport, I wrote a rapport also about the same night! Interesting isn't it?

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Hope you are doing well.

Greetz Buccaneer

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lol XD

Never ask a chick about inner game, they will look at u as weak and wierd.


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