@Hellhound, I have read lots of your posts, you are a unique and very well rounded individual with a great out look in life. You have a great mind dude. Please DO NOT keep this in mind for future sarges. Do not adapt based on these things, you will fail. The women that may appear conservative may actually be the opposite just as the women that appear bold may be conservative. Base your actions on your individual target and her reactions to you only.

Do not go into it with a set response/action based on the above interpretations. To be quite honest, if you were going to assume a vibe to give off, it would be more commonly the opposite. Dangerous vibe with the conservative, and safe vibe with the bolder. But that doesn't matter anymore because you are no longer thinking that way right????

This is in fact why the bad boy vibe is so successful in seduction, if we were to put a generalization on women, they are mostly conservative.

Cheers dude.

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Hmm. Yes. This makes sense. Thanks a lot SA.

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Frankly, I do take offense. The comment is vague because the discussion is not really about if there are 10s out there or not. The comment was meant to say that it doesnt matter.

Women do react differently depending on how insecure they are or which their insecurities are. This is emotions in action for you. I didnt say anything about logic, you did. And no, of course you cant base anything on a general assumption, you obviously need to see the individual and calibrate based on who it is.

But what do I know. 5 years in the game and numerous in field hours and closes doesnt count do they, so no, of course, I wouldnt be experienced at all would I? Then people would do better to humble accept the awesome credibility of someone who starts out on the forum by bragging about his 800 lays that he supposedly has.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Call it bragging if you like, the day i wrote my introduction I had no idea how this forum operated to be quite frank. I thought my numbers would of been at par with a lot of people on this forum, I had no idea of what I would encounter such doubt. In all honesty I thought this forum would be full of people like me. Boy was I wrong. All i said was your words showed you would be somewhat limited with your experience, and if you think 5 years is a lot of experience, come back and read my words after another 15. Think what you will Ezo. Keep a closed mind if you like. But I have been in this game for 20 yrs. I understand that most will not be able to relate to me , but to dismiss my words based on an opening introduction that is in fact TRUTH. Is plain ignorance. I have written enough on this forum to prove my knowledge. Don't be like a lot of people on here and let your ego get in the way of your progression. Or do you consider your self in fact at the top of the game? What I say makes sense. I urge you to find anything that doesn't.

We can even use logic for my very point on this thread. Lets say you are a preppy kid. Well brought up, silver spooned kid. You see two 10's both of them are checking you out, showing interest. One is a preppy spoon feed conservative woman, the other just as hot, is completely opposite, bad girl kind of looking, exotic. But just as hot. Who do you think most men in that position are going to pick?

The same rings true with women.

As a moderator, I assume you may have access to the "guru's" or at least know someone who may. Why don't you get someone like 60 yrs to read my words and tell if they ring true or not. Or anyone else that most on here follow religiously. Do that, then tell me if all I am doing is bragging? or full of shit.

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I agree with what sex addict said, and he is right, ezo was a bit off and wrong in the comments, about the safe vibe and insecurities, but sexman you just made a mistake in the way you corrected ezo and in another threat warped mindless(the married pua 8 something dtf post), it came across a bit condescending, but i know how the sex man is, he did not mean it that way, is just the way he sometimes talks and he probably does not know he is coming across that way....Then ezo made a mistake by question the sexman legitimacy base on a mistake he made in the introduction 800 post, he was not bragging, he posted the experience as in a way to say that he can help base on his successes... Women are very insecure all of them, from the hottest to the ugliest, even if they deny it... The fact is that even thought sexman sometimes has the chessy lines lol, the dude knows his shit, ezo does too but he was just a bit off, we all are every once in a while when posting.

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After reading so many SA911 posts, I think he is one of the more helpful and polite forum members around here rather than a hardcore braggart.

When I first saw that "Approximately 800 women fucked" thread, my thoughts ran exactly the same way as Ezo's. I never read one post in that thread to be honest.

My experience is that fucking 3 different women (regulars) every day for 6 months more or less made me give up too much pussy and realized there was more to life than banging pussy here and there. But some people are well motivated enough to keep at it so I'll give the benefit of the doubt to SA911.

Anyway, I wouldn't exactly say that Ezo's post that I've quoted was cheesy wrong or that SA911 was really out of line with his 800 lay thread. I just see the situation as two great alpha males battling for supremacy without them realizing consciously that nature is at work here in the forums.

This forum is a great learning experience for me with the likes of Ezo and SA911 around. I think I've improved a lot, step-by-step and little by little.

In fact, the shy and conservative HB8 that pumpington told me to next wasn't bothered a bit when I pressed my crotch by her ass yesterday when so many people were milling around due to some big event. I considered the ideas I got in this thread both from Ezo and SA911 and combined those with some Warped Mindless proximity-tension shit. What I thought was a hard prey now seems to be an easy prey with the right kind of vibe. Talk about applying a theoretical analysis in the real world, eh?

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Well, there will always be different opinions on the forum and keeping an open mind is important.

There is no battle for supremacy here, when someone good comes along, it is appreciated.

What pisses me off is the attitude people have nowadays. Since the day when Stelar arrived, it has been an increase in calling everyone who doesnt agree with you a virgin etc. Im sick and tired of this inflated ego attitude and frankly starting out by telling people that you are in the 800s is pretty darn arrogant regardless of if it is true or not.
Telling ME, that I have no experience is a lame attempt at being patronizing which is 1. Not very strategically smart and 2. showing an attitude that is not great and 3. Shows that you need to attempt to anger or humiliate or dethrone the guy you are debating with since you cant "win" he discussion just using your own reasoning.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Ezo dude, get over it man. I said it suggests SOMEWHAT of in experience.( and i meant with different types of women not women in general. But had you ever taken the time to give me the benefit of the doubt, you may of seen it that way.

Even after 20 yrs I still have things to learn. I mean't no harm or insult with my comments. I am not going to apologize just because you are sensitive and take shit the wrong way.

The difference between you and I is I take people at their word until they give me a reason not to. You have been bias towards me since day one. I mean you just showed it by your comments of my "introductory thread. It's quite clear. Here's the thing though, I never once insulted you. In fact I have even complimented you in the past. There is no need to throw insults now at me. If you cant take constructive criticism then perhaps you are not the right person to be moderating others. I don't brag, I never have. You see it as a bold statement, I see it for what it is. The truth. If a man climbed every mountain on this planet, and told others about it, on a mountain climbing forum, would that be arrogance and ego?

If you knew anything about marketing, you would know a title is merely for the purpose of drawing attention and intrigue. Can you think of any better way I could of showed my experience to the community within a few words? Has anyone on this forum had almost 40,000 views and over 500 posts on their introduction post alone?

As far as ego's go, its the majority of you that have the ego's the forums so called "elite" You all have not even given me a chance, I was ridiculed since day one. I see people getting props by half of you, meanwhile they are saying points that I have already made ( but was ridiculed for) Should I have lied about my experience and lay count? Would that of been better? WTF! Should I have dulled it down? Am I the only one on this forum that loves women with an extreme overwhelming passion, am I the only one that is obsessed with the art of seduction? Is this a Pick up artist forum? It sure as hell doesn't seem like one.

You need to get into the real world, if you see me as arrogant you are blind.

I am not gonna change my personality to suit you, or anyone else. It took me a long time to become the man that I am, In the real world people fucking adore me. I take pride in my honesty, and respectability. I have never encountered this kind of shit in real life. If anyone should be pissed off it's me. For one I am much older then a majority of you, I have tried to remain respectable at all times even in the mouth of ridicule. The lack of respect is insulting.

The irony of it all is, wise men would try to learn from someone like me, or at least learn from my experience. ( especially the ones that are already some what successful) Instead what do the majority of you all do? YOU DOUBT, ridicule, and assume arrogance, assume I am lying, assume I am delusional.

IF this was a business forum or a sales forum and someone joined and said they had x number of sales, or 20 years experience and could back it up, a majority of the community would probably welcome them and try to utilize that individuals experience. Ego's would not be clouding everything. Not here! Anyone that feels they are somewhat accomplished doesn't want to hear a thing from a person like me. You've all read your books and field tested your theories and thats fucking great, good for you all. But tell me this, has any of you been around this game for 20 years??? I'll be the first to admit, at the pace a majority of the forum veterens are going, you all could easily best me in this game after 20 years.

I am not claiming to be the all mighty pick up master. I am not claiming to be anything but someone that has had a passion for seduction for 2 decades. AND YES I AM DAMN GOOD AT IT!!! call that arrogance if you like, I earned the fucking right to be proud, I put my time and effort in. I have even sacrificed a family life for my experience. I have paid the toll in many ways. Yet you dare call it egotistical. SHAME ON YOU KID!

You're welcome to have your own opinion of me. But don't assume to know who I am, and don't assume to know my character. I have always been polite to you Ezo even when you decided to be biased towards me. I have complimented you in the past. This is a FORUM THAT IS OPEN FOR DEBATE AND OPINIONS. You have you opinion of me and that's fine. I certainly have a new opinion of you.

If your only argument is the title of one of my threads. Then there is no point in debating anything here.

Lets leave it at that, I am not here to pick fights or be involved with negative energy. If I have insulted you, I can assure you that was not my intentions. I will be sure be more aware of your sensitive nature in the future.

Just know this, I am not like Stelar or anyone of the sort. I still have loads of info in me to share. And I will gladly do so. If you or any other moderators have any issues with me or anything I post, then by all means PM me.

One last thing to keep in mind, when you or anyone else is passing judgement. The majority of the community, even the long time dwellers at one time came here to better themselves, came here to get help, to learn pick up and the art of seduction. ME?? I CAME HERE TO HELP! Accept the difference, be wise and take advantage of me experience while you can. Put your ego's aside, I am not going to be around much longer.

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We are all here to help man.

Allright, I will give you the benefit of a doubt. I hereby start from zero with you, no biases or anything.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

[quote="Ezo"]We are all here to help man.

Allright, I will give you the benefit of a doubt. I hereby start from zero with you, no biases or anything.[/quote


I always respected Ezo, now i respect him even more, ^ this is the right attitude, does not mean you will not disagree with the sex man or challenge him...Good to see this! I just think we are all suffering of post stelar/khumar and the likes syndrome....

@sexman, dude constructive observation, you went a little bit kasabi when talking to ezo and that generated the back and forth.. Remember men love respect, women love security... But you already know that... As i said maybe you did not mean it...

Awesome post by the way...

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I appreciate your class, it's very respectable. As I said before there is no hard feelings. Like you said, we are all here to help.


Cheers man.

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You have very good interpretation skills cause I thought exactly the same as you...Text is much easier to misinterpret due to lack of tonality and body language. That is why sexdude doesn't get hassled as much in real life, because he is authentic and people can see that, but in a forum, the only way to see that is through social intelligence, experience and security (meaning you don't let your emotions and ego cloud your judgement).

SA, know that there are still people who appreciate input from an experienced pua. I understand your mindset, when you first started your thread, I was one of those people who said awesome, let's check this out and hope it's for real cause I can learn a lot. I did not feel threatened by it which is honestly beta behavior, but even some people who used to be betas and are now puas still have a few beta tendencies to work on. Self-awareness is key in identifying the problem and work on it. A positive mindset is also important not only to learn in life, but to also be happy. What's the point of being a good pua if you're still negative and not really happy. I can spot that in people.

Well, ugly women have more to prove. Yes social pressure, if they settle for somebody that looks like some of you guys , she will be considered less valuable by the surrounding men and women.

where the guys say "what are you doing with him" the women will say "shes with a loser, she must be a loser too"

so the ugly woman doesnt let that happen.

Plus ugly women are more suspicious. They are used to being used and often are very guarded.

Hot women on the other hand, can take any guy they feel like. Nobody is going to frown upon a hot chick who hangs with an ugly dude, because its a fact, shes hot nobody will deny this. Same thing for her friends, they wont think less of her,c ause they already know what she can get.

So sometimes, and not all the time, a hot woman may be easier to get than an ugly one, and most times, neither are very easy to get.

best off trying your skills with women in your league. not ugly, not hot, right in the middle. Then everybody expects you to be together and there ar eno hangups.

This is until u get so good at it, that you can get anything you want, anytime.

Why are you people hating on Stelar? I can assure you all that without his knowledge and inspiration I wouldn't been out sarging. SA911 And Stelar are the best helpers in the forum.

What do they have in common? They both never read any PUA material. And they never had the word "game" in their head when they sarged.

Stelar should get another chance.

The difference here is that while you say there is a difference in women based on their "beauty", I say there is a difference in our attitude towards them. You cant just assume that a woman has a certain mindset or attitude based on beauty. What you can do is to change the way you yourself interact with her and make sure you dont base your own behaviour based on how hot she is.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn