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You've done something numerous times and are right now engaged in the same behaviours whether they work in the way you think they work is something else. (Remember Mystery thinking that his strategy of feigning dis-interest turned girls on? It's very similar to Hobbit's causation thread.)
please you bring ass an example mystery, how do you want me to take you seriously, then you bring that silly causation thread, read my responses in that threat...
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The way a lot of PUA's frame it, they try and make it sound like their reality will automatically over-ride the girls reality. She doesn't do X... doesn't matter.. she will accept mine anyway and then she will do X.
overrade no, bring her to, yes...By the way fuck a girl couple of times good, you will override a lot of shit...
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What a PUA does is market himself and there are two main ways he can do this well.

1. Think about what he is offering and then maximise his efficiency by going after girls who are already looking for what he is after. (No-sense approaching a virginity-pledging girl from a baptist church in Tennessee for a one night stand if you're a death metal guitarist who already has groupies willing to go for you).
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convince people that what he is offering them is actually something they want.

The ability to do 2 successfully is great it turns "no" into "yes", it's everything people ask for on this forum.
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But its easy to over-emphasise number 2 to avoid the reality that you can be the greatest salesman in the world but if your product is fundamentally at odds with the desires of your consumers then you have to admit that it's a lost cause.
If you are a good salesman(i do this for living a sale financial products) the main thing that i do is Qualify who am i gonna do biz with(by asking questions) and who will waste my time...
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Any negotiator, Salesman, mediator or manager can tell you that good pitches and strong interpersonal skills will carry you far, but you can't sell stock in an abortion clinic to a Tennessee baptist, especially when you may only have one night to do it.
if you are a salesman, mediator or manager and you go sell abortion stock in a tennessee baptist clinic, you did not screen right your target market, dude you are contradicting yourself read what you brought on the market yourself number 1...

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please you bring ass an example mystery, how do you want me to take you seriously, then you bring that silly causation thread, read my responses in that threat...
If you don't like the examples that's fine, the point is that you wouldn't be the first "PUA" to mistake the causes of their success.
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overrade no, bring her to, yes...By the way fuck a girl couple of times good, you will override a lot of shit...
You want to bring her to your "world", but that is assuming your world and her world is compatible. Again selling stock in an abortion clinic to Tennessee Baptist won't get you anywhere. All successful forms of persuasion begin with some attempt at finding a compatibility between the two interest groups.
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What a PUA does is market himself and there are two main ways he can do this well.

1. Think about what he is offering and then maximise his efficiency by going after girls who are already looking for what he is after. (No-sense approaching a virginity-pledging girl from a baptist church in Tennessee for a one night stand if you're a death metal guitarist who already has groupies willing to go for you).
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2. Try and
convince people that what he is offering them is actually something they want.

The ability to do 2 successfully is great it turns "no" into "yes", it's everything people ask for on this forum.
good!
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But its easy to over-emphasise number 2 to avoid the reality that you can be the greatest salesman in the world but if your product is fundamentally at odds with the desires of your consumers then you have to admit that it's a lost cause.
If you are a good salesman(i do this for living a sale financial products) the main thing that i do is Qualify who am i gonna do biz with(by asking questions) and who will waste my time...
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Any negotiator, Salesman, mediator or manager can tell you that good pitches and strong interpersonal skills will carry you far, but you can't sell stock in an abortion clinic to a Tennessee baptist, especially when you may only have one night to do it.
if you are a salesman, mediator or manager and you go sell abortion stock in a tennessee baptist clinic, you did not screen right your target market, dude you are contradicting yourself read what you brought on the market yourself number 1...
That bit in bold doesn't make grammatical sense, could you explain that to me cause I've got no idea what you meant. And no it's not a contradiction because it doesn't go against anything I've said above.

The example of the Tennessee Baptist and the Abortion Clinic is that -as you've pointed out- it's a waste of time for the abortion clinic to try and find investors at a Baptist Church meeting.

Similarly you never "bring" someone into your reality in the sense that you get them to ignore their own values and ideas. And for that reason people in love and sex will always be limited by compatibility issues. Good "Sales" and diverse personalities however can help minimise those limitations.
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please you bring ass an example mystery, how do you want me to take you seriously, then you bring that silly causation thread, read my responses in that threat...
If you don't like the examples that's fine, the point is that you wouldn't be the first "PUA" to mistake the causes of their success.
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overrade no, bring her to, yes...By the way fuck a girl couple of times good, you will override a lot of shit...
You want to bring her to your "world", but that is assuming your world and her world is compatible. Again selling stock in an abortion clinic to Tennessee Baptist won't get you anywhere. All successful forms of persuasion begin with some attempt at finding a compatibility between the two interest groups.
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What a PUA does is market himself and there are two main ways he can do this well.

1. Think about what he is offering and then maximise his efficiency by going after girls who are already looking for what he is after. (No-sense approaching a virginity-pledging girl from a baptist church in Tennessee for a one night stand if you're a death metal guitarist who already has groupies willing to go for you).
Good!
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2. Try and
convince people that what he is offering them is actually something they want.

The ability to do 2 successfully is great it turns "no" into "yes", it's everything people ask for on this forum.
good!
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But its easy to over-emphasise number 2 to avoid the reality that you can be the greatest salesman in the world but if your product is fundamentally at odds with the desires of your consumers then you have to admit that it's a lost cause.
If you are a good salesman(i do this for living a sale financial products) the main thing that i do is Qualify who am i gonna do biz with(by asking questions) and who will waste my time...
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Any negotiator, Salesman, mediator or manager can tell you that good pitches and strong interpersonal skills will carry you far, but you can't sell stock in an abortion clinic to a Tennessee baptist, especially when you may only have one night to do it.
if you are a salesman, mediator or manager and you go sell abortion stock in a tennessee baptist clinic, you did not screen right your target market, dude you are contradicting yourself read what you brought on the market yourself number 1...
That bit in bold doesn't make grammatical sense, could you explain that to me cause I've got no idea what you meant. And no it's not a contradiction because it doesn't go against anything I've said above.

The example of the Tennessee Baptist and the Abortion Clinic is that -as you've pointed out- it's a waste of time for the abortion clinic to try and find investors at a Baptist Church meeting.

Similarly you never "bring" someone into your reality in the sense that you get them to ignore their own values and ideas. And for that reason people in love and sex will always be limited by compatibility issues. Good "Sales" and diverse personalities however can help minimise those limitations.


1. Think about what he is offering and then maximise his efficiency by going after girls who are already looking for what he is after. (No-sense approaching a virginity-pledging girl from a baptist church in Tennessee for a one night stand if you're a death metal guitarist who already has groupies willing to go for you).

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Similarly you never "bring" someone into your reality in the sense that you get them to ignore their own values and ideas. And for that reason people in love and sex will always be limited by compatibility issues. Good "Sales" and diverse personalities however can help minimise those limitations.

that is not true at all, because it has not happen to you, does not mean is true... How about 3 somes, swing clubs, etc... to name a few i can go on and on and on..

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When I was 30 years old, I lost my business and had to claim bankruptcy. I was living on my friends couch. Had no car, no job. The only thing I still had was my confidence, wardrobe, sex drive, and wit. I never once stopped getting consistent sex. Women didn't care, they never do. I used to screen women and only seduce women that drove, or had their own places. Seduction has everything to do with living in that moment and creating a sensual and sexual connection. If your seduction has gotten to a point where your lifestyle or status has to come into play, you suck at it and are taking WAAAAY too long.

There may be gold diggers out there and women searching for status but they are the ones doing the seduction.

If it takes you having to show off your social and financial status to seduce a woman, you are not seducing her, she's seducing you.

We are talking pick up here right? It may be a little different for women searching for a potential husband, but if we are gonna talk about that. Perhaps we should be on a Married/relationship forum.

^ wholly shit sex man is back, i am putting this shit in my book...
Thank you for sharing this Sexaddict. Really helped me as I'm currently broke and my it fuckes up my game. But u gave me a giddy to go out and be creep with girls lol. How can we know when ur book is out skills? :)
working on book and videos... will be out soon, as you can tell my writing, grammar, sucks...

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Similarly you never "bring" someone into your reality in the sense that you get them to ignore their own values and ideas. And for that reason people in love and sex will always be limited by compatibility issues. Good "Sales" and diverse personalities however can help minimise those limitations.

that is not true at all, because it has not happen to you, does not mean is true... How about 3 somes, swing clubs, etc... to name a few i can go on and on and on..
You do realise that there are girls that naturally seek out three-somes and swing clubs don't you? And on top of that there are plenty more girls -who may never have done anything crazy before- who are willing to do all kinds of crazy shit provided they have the right people with them to feel comfortable with it.
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Similarly you never "bring" someone into your reality in the sense that you get them to ignore their own values and ideas. And for that reason people in love and sex will always be limited by compatibility issues. Good "Sales" and diverse personalities however can help minimise those limitations.

that is not true at all, because it has not happen to you, does not mean is true... How about 3 somes, swing clubs, etc... to name a few i can go on and on and on..
You do realise that there are girls that naturally seek out three-somes and swing clubs don't you? And on top of that there are plenty more girls -who may never have done anything crazy before- who are willing to do all kinds of crazy shit provided they have the right people with them to feel comfortable with it.

yes, of course, but what if it contradicts her values and ideas...

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that is not true at all, because it has not happen to you, does not mean is true... How about 3 somes, swing clubs, etc... to name a few i can go on and on and on..
You do realise that there are girls that naturally seek out three-somes and swing clubs don't you? And on top of that there are plenty more girls -who may never have done anything crazy before- who are willing to do all kinds of crazy shit provided they have the right people with them to feel comfortable with it.

yes, of course, but what if it contradicts her values and ideas...
We've all met the "I don't normally do this girls" so I'll avoid the obvious but...

Two Tasks.
Go to a BDSM dungeon and ask for a show of hands of the people who find BDSM to contradict their values and ideas.
See if you can get an orgy started in a nunnery.

The results should speak for themselves, while there is a grey line and a vagueness in what is meant by "I don't believe in it" generally people do what they desire when it's available and don't do what they don't want to. You can't stop that.
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You can bring women into your own reality and they will buy it and accept it, if you do it right...
I think "find" women would be a more appropriate term than bring. Sure you can negotiate with people who exist outside of your clique and get them to "visit" you -or arrange to "visit" them- but generally women aren't this big homogeneous group that will go everywhere and anywhere provided the PUA can do XYZ.

It's a case of finding people who match you on some level and adapting to the differences you find, not about taking women and trying to carve them into your reality while systematically ignoring theirs.

You do not ignore her reality, you bring her into your reality, and she will accept it and adapt to it, and then she will enjoy it...Done this numerous times doing it right now...For example: A lot of puas do it with multiple gfs at the same time and they know about each other, they accept your reality...
check this out, contacted girl i fucked twice. gold-digger. i paid so much for her in the past. we have a date tomorrow and she does not know what we are doing yet.

i will pay nothing for her and game her. was a second-date fuck, this one.

test: "is a gold-digger" gamable with regular game, even if she knows you have money and will not spend anything.

i will be completely honest with all of you on the result.
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I think "find" women would be a more appropriate term than bring. Sure you can negotiate with people who exist outside of your clique and get them to "visit" you -or arrange to "visit" them- but generally women aren't this big homogeneous group that will go everywhere and anywhere provided the PUA can do XYZ.

It's a case of finding people who match you on some level and adapting to the differences you find, not about taking women and trying to carve them into your reality while systematically ignoring theirs.

You do not ignore her reality, you bring her into your reality, and she will accept it and adapt to it, and then she will enjoy it...Done this numerous times doing it right now...For example: A lot of puas do it with multiple gfs at the same time and they know about each other, they accept your reality...
check this out, contacted girl i fucked twice. gold-digger. i paid so much for her in the past. we have a date tomorrow and she does not know what we are doing yet.

i will pay nothing for her and game her. was a second-date fuck, this one.

test: "is a gold-digger" gamable with regular game, even if she knows you have money and will not spend anything.

i will be completely honest with all of you on the result.

well you already establish a bad frame or whatever is called, by paying a lot before, so imo, you may lose this girl, if you do not pay.... Just make some stupid excuse for not paying and see how she reacts, like someone stole your identity or some shit, so you accounts are frozen, or do low pressure no money dates for example:

Walk at the beach

Rent a movie at your crib or her crib

home dinner etc...

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You do not ignore her reality, you bring her into your reality, and she will accept it and adapt to it, and then she will enjoy it...Done this numerous times doing it right now...For example: A lot of puas do it with multiple gfs at the same time and they know about each other, they accept your reality...
check this out, contacted girl i fucked twice. gold-digger. i paid so much for her in the past. we have a date tomorrow and she does not know what we are doing yet.

i will pay nothing for her and game her. was a second-date fuck, this one.

test: "is a gold-digger" gamable with regular game, even if she knows you have money and will not spend anything.

i will be completely honest with all of you on the result.

well you already establish a bad frame or whatever is called, by paying a lot before, so imo, you may lose this girl, if you do not pay.... Just make some stupid excuse for not paying and see how she reacts, like someone stole your identity or some shit, so you accounts are frozen, or do low pressure no money dates for example:

Walk at the beach

Rent a movie at your crib or her crib

home dinner etc...
my thoughts exactly.
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check this out, contacted girl i fucked twice. gold-digger. i paid so much for her in the past. we have a date tomorrow and she does not know what we are doing yet.

i will pay nothing for her and game her. was a second-date fuck, this one.

test: "is a gold-digger" gamable with regular game, even if she knows you have money and will not spend anything.

i will be completely honest with all of you on the result.

well you already establish a bad frame or whatever is called, by paying a lot before, so imo, you may lose this girl, if you do not pay.... Just make some stupid excuse for not paying and see how she reacts, like someone stole your identity or some shit, so you accounts are frozen, or do low pressure no money dates for example:

Walk at the beach

Rent a movie at your crib or her crib

home dinner etc...
my thoughts exactly.
her crib. i tried this several times and she refused. at the time she was a student so maybe she was embarassed. i always prefer going to their crib. i don't know it's just this reflex - i.e. you are independent.
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Tyler Durden (RSD) on the subject:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNLjvzs6KVo

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When I was 30 years old, I lost my business and had to claim bankruptcy. I was living on my friends couch. Had no car, no job. The only thing I still had was my confidence, wardrobe, sex drive, and wit. I never once stopped getting consistent sex. Women didn't care, they never do. I used to screen women and only seduce women that drove, or had their own places. Seduction has everything to do with living in that moment and creating a sensual and sexual connection. If your seduction has gotten to a point where your lifestyle or status has to come into play, you suck at it and are taking WAAAAY too long.

There may be gold diggers out there and women searching for status but they are the ones doing the seduction.

If it takes you having to show off your social and financial status to seduce a woman, you are not seducing her, she's seducing you.

We are talking pick up here right? It may be a little different for women searching for a potential husband, but if we are gonna talk about that. Perhaps we should be on a Married/relationship forum.
Im signing this so hard my pen broke. This is a good thread and the whole post from SA is very good.

It is possible to fuck girls purely from attraction.

However its easier to make her follow you from venue A to your house to take a swim in your heated outdoor pool then to bring her to your tent outside the citys dump. Everything, material or non-material, you own or have, will put you in a better position of dipping your springroll into her sweet and sour sauce. Its just common sence.

For relationships you have to be careful and pay attention;
Is she liking your qualities who got you all the items and success you have?
... or is she infact just liking the items?


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First off, we are talking about lifestyle game yet everyone is talking about money. What about a wide network of friends, fun/sexy hobbies etc?

Secondly, if you are using lifestyle game specifically to get girls you're being a bit of a pussy. Maybe you'll make some more money or start some hobbies or make friends you wont enjoy that much, and you might seem more attractive to girls but you are bitching out of learning game.

HOWEVER, if you are bettering your lifestyle for YOU, it is a completely different story. I joined the gym because it makes me feel good. I joined a football team because I think the game is fun as fuck. I made new friends because I have banter with them. I get good grades because I want to get a good job and make the parents proud. As a result of all this, I feel like more of a man and I feel more confident and well rounded. I feel more alpha. I'm more confident and hence I make more approaches when sarging and present myself better. Im a lot less outcome dependent because now I look forward to football practice as much as I look forward to my once a week night of sarging. I have more experience in the world. These things help me pick up women, and I dont have to flaunt or show any of this off. Lifestyle game definitely helped me attract women and improved my 'standard' game.
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