So I'm always a fan of holding eye contact for as long as I can or until she looks away.

But recently I noticed some girls seem to get creeped out by it as if they're thinking what does this weirdo want.

I'm still going to carry on doing this because after all it shows I'm the dominant one. I'm just curious to what reactions some guys get and what do you all think about it.

I'm not trying to hijack your post or anything, just an add-on, Do you guys look for the eye contact (Walking in a mall and looking at most girls, trying for eye contact?)
or do you just happen to see them looking at you. I feel as though looking for eye contact (Every girl walking by) Is a bit weird.

I thought about it too.
I'm always make agressive eye contact with the girls I'm talking to,
sometimes I feel that its just too much for the girl but Im afraid to break it for not looking weak.
Im trying to make more agressive EC when she is talking, and less agressive when I am talking (breaking the EC slowly every now and then).

if you are giving 100% eye contact and never looking away, even when a girl is obviously getting uncomfortable, that is totally weird and creepy, no one ever does that, seriously... weird shit

you don't have to stare the girl down, when people are talking about strong eye contact and not looking away, it is more for guys who are a bit timid and anxious, when you are focused on the person, hold eye contact, when you are not, you don't need to stare them down, the point is just don't be intimidated by people and practice getting comfortable holding eye contact with people while you socialize rather then shying away every time someone's eyes meet yours let them be the first to break it, learn to deal with tension and hold it, that doesn't mean just lock onto a persons eyes and never break it or release your gaze even when they obviously seem uncomfortable with the intense stare down they are getting, being comfortable and confident while you speak is the goal, not being weird and try hard

as for eye contact in the mall, if you are looking for approach invites etc.

first just stare into space, pay attention to your peripherals, look at the girls as you pass, first thing to check for is the direction their head is pointed in, if it is towards you, and you notice when they look towards you they have some sort of unnatural movement, like a twitch, or a preen, or they just do anything that seems unnatural to what they were doing before like they have been effected by seeing you, then slowly and calmly turn your head (if you move to quickly you can spook her and she might feel like she got ''caught''), let your eyes lead and make eye contact and hold it, once your eyes meet, just approach, that is your goal to lock eyes, all you are looking for is that she looks at you first, because then it is more likely she was checking you out, rather then she just made eye contact because you were staring at her

also look for girls who look your way and then when you get close they take a quick double take, and check you out twice, just look in the peripherals for the direction their heads turn, and subtitles in their body positioning and body language, paying special attention to unnatural movements that change as soon as you are in proximity or sight

just remain calm, don't move too much, when you see girls lock eyes with you, hold it, if they smile or look down, or preen, they probably feel slightly nervous because of you, that can either be a sign they are attracted, or they feel intimidated, either one

I find that every now and then you'll run into a girl that will hold eye contact with you almost endlessly, but not smile, and she doesn't look uncomfortable. She will literally stare at you for as long as you will look at her. In this event is it most likely an approach invitation?

most likely, she either likes the way you look, or thinks you look weird or something

pumpington,

I think I've misunderstood this eye contact thing the whole time.

Do you mean that with regards to EC in PUA, don't look away the second the girl looks at you, but rather hold it for a few seconds so you don't look scared?

Example: you know when someones looking at you and you look at them they look away really fast.

Is this what EC in PUA is all about? Stopping you from looking away straight away?

Is it alright to hold the EC for a few seconds but still be the one to break off first? After all, you showed you weren't scared with EC.

Eddie,

I often do look for it but I think this is the wrong way to go. But if you notice someone looking at you or you get caught looking then hold it (this is what I'm going to try to do now).

yeah the only thing that is important is that you are comfortable holding eye contact, you don't have to be weird about it, and have a 5 minute staring contest or anything, just don't be timid or shy, and if you hold it, you might as well walk straight up and talk, it shows interest, you like what you see and you are not afraid to look at it or get ''caught'' it shows confidence, also you can be the first to break eye contact, it doesn't really matter, what is more important was did you break it because you can't handle the tension, or did you break it just because you lost interest in what you were looking at?

just practice eye contact so you can hold tension well, strong eye contact is a good thing, weird prolonged staring for no reason when someone is uncomfortable is not

also when you make eye contact with a stranger and they hold it, sometimes the tension can make them feel funny if they find you attractive, some girls will open you because of it, or smile

if you see that, bingo you got her, that is a good approach invite

But to catch them you need to look at them don't you? :L You have to have awesome peripherals to see an eye movement? Thanks Everyone for your advice

Makes sense now. I always felt uncomfortable holding it too long but I thought that was some kind of insecurity. I found it weird staring someone down.
Kind of. I normally pick it up when someones looking at me, I feel it. If they're behind me then oh well. If they're too far to my sides - oh well. I think maybe walk and look ahead of you confidently like you know where you're going. If you pick up on someone looking at you then you can I guess. But I think just walking and looking at girls walking in the opposite direction trying to make eye contact could be a little needy, especially since they'll probably know you're looking at them without them having to look directly at you.

But hey I don't know, I just realised what it was all about. This is my new opinion on it.

Your right Titanman. That is all.

Ive been doing this alot lately.

When she's talking I kind of move my gaze away from her as if what she is saying isnt important. Occasionally look her in the eye so that she doesnt think your not listening though.

But when Im talking, I keep direct eye contact as if what im saying is the most important thing she will hear all day.

Works for me.

There are subtle signs that you need to look for whether to hold a stare down with the girl or not. If you don't see these other signs, break eye contact and look forward while maintaining an even level. Don't look down.

• Dilation of the Pupils. If the pupils grow big as you go near her, hold a stare down. If the pupils grow small, break eye contact.
  
  Triangular Gazing to Your Lips. If the girl looks at your eyes left to right and then at your lips, hold eye contact. This could also be right to left and down at your lips. Watch the eye movement.
  
  Triangular Gazing to Your Crotch. Instead of gazing at your lips, she steals looks at your crotch. Protrude your hips and exaggerate your crotch when approaching. Watch for the clearing of or swallowing at the throat. Say your opener.
  
  Clearing of, or Swallowing at, the Throat. If the girl clears her throat or swallows her saliva during eye contact, invade her personal space. This means going near her at around 2 feet of distance. If she doesn't move away, say your opener.

To practice your eye signal reading skills, roll a hand towel and fold it. This should be around 12 inches long of rolled cloth and one and a half inches in diameter. Next, place this inside your jeans just above where your dick is. Wear a tight jeans for this body language reading exercise. Position this properly in your jeans. Go out sarging in daylight so you can easily catch the gazes of women. The hardest subtle signal to read is the dilation of the pupils so you'll need to practice this for 2 to 3 days until you master reading the pupils.

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Wow.....I feel like doing this...SO MUCH fun. Haha not sure what it'll tell me about women though...Obviously if you have something sticking out of your body..PEOPLE notice, men AND women. lol

But OP..I'm glad you asked this. If you are CONSTANTLY holding it and you are SURE you're comfortable, it'll rub off on her (if shes less comfortable with it to think "is he a creep?") but if you're trying to force it....and obviously you're nervous about it...then look away. But I know what you mean...I struggled with Eye contact when I learned the game...never analyzed the way i looked at people...in fact I believe myself to be an eye contact natural. If you smile and look at them..it's fine..

but to stare at them with a boring expression...kind of turns them off...turns guys off too...I know when a girl kind of has this blank look to her face but she's interested..I'm not interested in her too much.

All good stuff, pumpington and hellhound especially.

But one thing for me to clarify... When you're talking to someone (whether that's a girl or some random person or whatever), you look in their eyes. Obviously.

BUT do you look at them in the eyes the whole time? Say you've just bumped into someone you sort-of-know in the street, so you're stood like 2 yards away from them. You're looking into their eyes, and the conversation goes on for a good 5 minutes or so. Would you be looking into their eyes the whole time? I would be focussed on them the whole time, but 5 minutes of looking into someone's eyes direct is a bit intense!

Reading what Pumpington said a few posts below, I've got a few follow up questions;

1) If they break eye contact first, what's the best way to go about it then? Do you just quickly look around or something and then go back to make eye contact again? Or would you continue looking "at" their eyes until they come back to make contact again?

2) If neither of you break eye contact for a long time - and it's a girl - I think that's a good thing, probably shows a lot of interest! However, if it's not a girl you're chatting up, but it's just say a friend or an acquaintance or just a stranger who you're not attracted to.... would you still continue to look in their eyes until they break contact?