I recently I encountered a girl who was like "oh thats very nice please tell me more of your fantastic DHV and personality conveying stuff" but was pretty much ignoring my questions about her. which I declined and forced her to tell about herself( I get incredibly bored if they dont give me material). I think that was kind of too much pressure for her.

1. Would it be more efficent if I would talk a little bit more about myself in order to make it easier for her to open up?

Then Ive been thinking about using easier questions at the beginning. Like "whats your favorite animal". which works but I always feel very gay afterwards.

2. What easy questions do you use and how do you use her response?

I think relates to frames. Yeah if she wants to hear more about you by all means tell her more but only after you make her enter your frame and jump through your hoop.

PUA: I could tell you some more stories but first you have to tell me one thing.
HB: what?
PUA: (pick out something on her and neg it) where did you get that necklace?
HB: at so and so
PUA: hmm it really draws the attention away from head

then your off

Or do a VAK/NLP (Visual/Aural/kinesthetic) reading on her. Read up on it and then you can tell how she expresses her self so on. She will be intrigued by how intuitive you are, which should do the trick of getting her talking a bit more.

Hope this helps,
- Envy

interesting, but why frames?

(In my frame) I see that as a problem of investment. If she does not invest I might easily lose her to the first distraction or mistake, I think.
On the other hand I fear that if I pressure her too hard to invest she will eject if she does not feel comfortable, and its my job to make her comfortable. (btw making her jump through a hoop is making her invest, hmmm...)

Well IMO she is going to have to invest. If she is not going to invest over a small amount over a neg or routine she is probably already on the way out of the conversation anyway. I have found that doing the reading routines always gets women talking, they just eat that stuff up. So give that a shot and see if that does get her gabbing.

try playing the question game, this is what I do when a girl is unresponsive.

Me: Do you not feel like talking or something? (I say that like I'm a little annoyed, though you want to have a good feel on the situation before you say it so bluntly)

Her: What oh no, sorry blah blah blah (she might be having a bad day or something so don't take it personally, this is usually where she tells you if she is. If she's not then she's probably just bored so then I transition like so)

Me: all right, let's play a game. The question game, we just ask question back and forth the rules are you HAVE to tell the truth and you HAVE to be specific. You can't say idk or maybe or anything like that. k?
her: all right
Me: cool, i get to ask first.

and I move on from there, usually their questions are boring so make yours fun and embarassing and eventually progress into some sexual ones. This will make her invest and have fun and forces her to respond, also this is perfect for screening her. It hasn't failed me yet.

She will also feel like she's investing in you when you push/pull her emotionally.

thanks guys, very inspiring.

I suspect that part of my problem is that I have very mediocre attraction at a point like this and its not enough to make her invest much. I think one of the strengths (and dangers) of the coldreadstuff is that the bait isnt yourself but herself(which in the end shouldnt matter because you can still use it to build A and get her to open up). I think the question game is kind of similar because it promises her fun and excitement, but its also a little more intense, I... think... you need a little bit more attraction and/or comfort for this than for cold reads.

"She will also feel like she's investing in you when you push/pull her emotionally." <- this sounds very true I just have to figure out why. hm... because she IS investing emotionally(and thats no choice)?

That piece of advice is actually straight from Mystery, and yes it works. Yes, she is actually investing emotionally IF you do it right, because she's getting her emotions involved in you in some way. Either by a DHV story you tell, or by some form of neg that you throw her way. Something you have said or done should take her emotions to a high, but then you take them right back down to a low. It puts her on an emotional roller coaster, and women are in general drawn to that. Whether they want to admit it or not, lol.

lol, ahh, simply listening is investment too, it just depends how MUCH she listens. ... so it should be an option to just talk about myself, I just have to "suck her in my reality", which means to me keeping her attentive and emotionally involved*frame enhanced*

well, qualification should come at some point but should have time until shes willing enough(=attracted), but that shouldnt be that difficult(and i find most attracted girls to be desperate enough to be not that worried why you like her)

Yes you have to "suck" her in to your reality. Qualification should actually start almost immediately. Right after you open.

A good question in the question game to ask is "Do you find me attractive?" (I beleave someone had posted this a while back). I have field tested this a bunch and use it in most sets.

If they say "no" then u say "Wow, u r kinda cute too" (Since they are lieing the no means yes)

If they say Yes, then u go "Damit, u suck at this game...i told u to lie!"

Works very very very very well for me.

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Kinoescalator
5 for 5 MPUA

"Life is short, when its done u cant start over"

HB: i AM lying

now what do u say?

LOL...that should be in the shit test section haha

I believe that response would only happen if she is REALLY not into you. In which case, most likely you wouldn't get far enough to play that game with her, unless she was humoring to get rid of you. So, if that's the case, and you get that answer, exit time.

danggg...u shut my ass up haha
yea, didn't think of that tripp...