Group theory exists , but on the same time in doesn't ... it all depends on logistics.

If you do frequent nightclubs you will realize that most on the time you shouldn't engage all members of the group , but just the woman you like.

The most important thing is sound isolation.

If the music is loud and you have to speak into someones ear , then you do not need to engage all the persons in that group.

The club I am regularly going to now is more of a hipster club , very crowded specially friday or saturdays after 12 pm.

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Here is how it works.

DTF women , just like players will avoid at all costs crowded places.

You will either find them at the beginning of the night 11pm - 12pm or 3am - closing.

Most of the time they will be accompanied by 1 female friend and typically both of them will either stay at the bar near the dancefloor or on the dancefloor "semi-dancing" face to face with their friend.

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#1

If you identify those women , you don't and you should never engage their friend ... ENGAGE JUST THE WOMAN YOU WANT.

Why ? Because you have sound isolation.

HOW DO YOU PROCEED ?

It seems that there are very few people on this forum that can get away with my kind of direct , mainly because they can't follow through with maintaining the frame.

The best way to do it then is to Shock and Awe her.

Forget about "negs" , "dhv" and other worthless routines because in this case it will only make them lose interest.

How you do S&A ? Basically S&A is sexual complimenting.

Go to her (turn her around if you are facing her back or walk up to her) place your hand on her hip.

Throw sexual compliments at her.

-You should be ashamed of yourself.
-You look gorgeous.
-You look like you just feel of a modelling magazine.
-If there were no people here , I would jump you
-If I told you what I would do to you , you would blush.
-if you don't stop looking like at me like that I'll lose control.

just like ciaran posted , be creative.

1 very important note is to do takeaways.

throw 2-3 compliments then back off.

DO THIS UNTIL SHE SLOWLY WARMS HERSELF TO YOU.

She will slowly start smiling while looking away , some may not even say anything , but they will not reject your sexual escalation.

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#2

Even if she is a typical nice girl having fun with her friends , you should do the same , BUT REMEMBER TO HAVE SOUND ISOLATION.

If you don't have sound isolation , if she is in the lounge with in a group.

ENGAGE THE GROUP VERY BRIEFLY.

Ask them for a light , give someone in the group a compliment then asking them if they are having fun.

THEN LEAVE THEM ALONE.
DO NOT RUN "GAME' AND "ROUTINES" ON THE GROUP , SPECIALLY IF IT'S MIXED.

Next time you approach the group they will remember you and you can focus just on the woman you want.

And when you do engage her start doing S&A , she will love it.

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#3

Some women will throw shit tests while you S&A them.

-Why are you talking to me?
-You are full of bullshit.
-Is this all you've got?

Anything snappy she might say your reply should be :

"Drop the attitude you are not impressing anybody."

*You don't need to start directly with S&A , specially if you are a newbie.

You can casually ask them to dance and if they act bitchy again call them on their bullshit attitude , make them warm themselves to you then get into S&A.

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The best mindset and frame is having an erection while talking to them.

I can not put this better into words.

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Good Work Stelar!

Going out tomorrow and put this in practice together with foolsmate game and apocalypse. I think this aply's better to the environments i game (bar's filled with students)

The take aways are very interesting. Do you stand in her poximity and ignore her?

How would you physically escalate?

Oh yeah and how would you go for the pull? Something like this?

I deserve a golden medail for not trowing you on that table, ripping off all your clothes and rape you at the spot. But since your ass is so awefully sexy i cannot resist asking you if you want to come home with me tonight.

hoooolllldd!
Hooolllld!

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Too bad TVA_Oslo isn't posting here anymore , he can explain this better than me.

1. Touch her hip area
2. Start massaging her lower back ( after 1 takeaway )
3. Start slipping you hand to her ass. ( after 2 takeaway)

It should not take you more than 2 takeaways.

When doing takeaways , stay a few meters in her proximity , let her see you but do not face her (mind your own business)

Just like you are paying little visits to her.

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After you see that she doesn't reject your hand on her ass you can start kissing her neck and bite her shoulders.

The more practice you get the more things you can get away with like licking her chest or grinding her pussy on the dancefloor.

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After she starts moaning and she gets aroused tell her you " Let's get out of here"

It's this easy.

DO NOT LINGER TOO MUCH WITH THE MAKEOUT OR MAKING HER HORNY BECAUSE SOMETIMES SHE MIGHT JUST WALK AWAY.

PUSH FOR THE CLOSE AFTER 1-2 MINUTES OF GRINDING.

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Very good! Can you post a example of a take away...

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GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One question:

what if she asks you to buy her a drink?

I have had some occasions where I went Shock + Awe and they were interested, but they wanted me to buy them a drink

What is the best way to proceed here?

Im not a fan of buying women drinks. Maybe just ignore and plough through?

Spice

It depends on the women.

I sometimes buy women drinks , for example last week a bought a "shot" to a married chick then she introduced her friend to me and ended licking her tits in front her friends.

If you don't want to buy drinks then tell her you don't have any money on you or tell her to buy the first round.

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Watch any episode of The young and the restless.

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didn't got that one..

isn't it a soap opra?

A takeaway is very simple.

It's like someone comes to you and says "Nice shirt." then leaves.

In this case you replace the "nice shirt" with one of the SOI in the original post , then leave.

She will become intrigued.

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When I get rejected.

EVEN IF THEY TURN ME DOWN , WOMEN RESPECT ME AND THE COURAGE I HAD.

Sometimes after I get rejected , I would still catch those women looking at me.

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this post is good, stelar, about time, it may me realize a mistake i have been making for sometimes, but i have ignored it, since i hook up anyways, now that i think about it... sometimes i engage the 2 set, they get confuse who do i like, and i lose them, same happens with the group... I just never thought about it, so i will minimally engage the group and focus on the target, i am gonna try it this weekend...But you still have to pass the friend and group hook point, but just like you say minimally, i am gonna make that adjustment. But then you may risk the friend or group getting bored or jealous, and lose them anyways, so both approaches have the ups and downs. On the takeaway that is an awesome tool, i use it frequently it works...You give them attention and walk away like you changed your mind, or she lost her window of opportunity, then come back....

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THIS IS THE CONTINUATION TO THE OP.

As far as I see it "club game" is divided in 2 parts depending on what women want :

1.Women looking for ONS.
2.Women looking for fun/boyfriend.

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1.Women looking for ONS.

These are the DTF women I talked about in every other post.

You do not need to run "game" on them , because this is why some "sets" don't "hook" , it's because they are looking for a quick strike and "game" it's a turn off.

Consistent ONS comes from these women.

All you need to do is S&A them and you're on.

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2.Women looking for fun/boyfriend.

You can still strike ons with them , but those types of woman are more "conservative"

This is where "game" is suited and I suggest opening with a simple " Let's dance" or some other situational "opener".

REMEMBER : IF SHE GETS SNAPPY AND THROWS A SHIT TEST AND YOU PASS IT , YOU ARE GOLDEN.

After the bitchshield is gone , then drop into S&A and escalate.

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True story.
The venues i go to are packed with women of type 2.
I've only seen a hand full of clear type 1. girls. I think that thanx to you stellar it has become much easyer to distinguish those girls and know what to do with them.

possible explanation on lack of DTF women
- I go to venues were age is between 18-23 (too young/too scared/too unexperienced)
- I go to bars not clubs
- I go to student venues
- Dutch culture (Act normal, that makes you weird enough)

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Stelar for president!