Whenever i'm alone with a girl it's sooo easy to spit game. When i'm hanging out with friends and a girl comes along it's so much harder. I feel awkward, like how i used to get talking to 10's. Scroll down past all this chatter(to the ***'s) if you dont feel like reading this boring chat we had and wanna get down to the question.

I met a girl last week - , i was myself and didnt use any canned material - it went sorta like: me: " Oh my god, you like anime and porn too!!!? do you like ecchi?"
"well my fav anime is dhansajkndjka...etc"
"we should hella watch ksajdkladkla sometime and fuck"
"lol idk about that"
"cmon its the perfect combo, plus im a great lover"
her: *more laughs* "i need to know more about you before we even go out"
me: "well let's see i'll get my dirty little secrets out of the way first - im hypersexual, im a bit akward, i tend to be a little bit too blunt and honest, i like drugs rather alot, not to say im addicted or anything i just like to explore my mind---"
her:"do you have a job?"
me:"na but i've been looking for some time"
her:"ehhh"
(we talked about her job and junk)
me: "it's really no big deal, yeah i know men are stereotypically supposed to buy the women stuff but i think thats overrated, im anti consumerist and i am indeed a big giver, however most of the things i can give you can't be bought though "
....... i ended up asking for her number and she said no.
i saw her again today and my friends were around and it was pretty hard to flirt with her with them around dogging me. we didnt talk that much. but when we did
me: "marlene you have beautiful eyes"
her: "thank you very much and my name is lauren"
me: "im very forgetful"
her: "it's okay what was your name again?"
me: im me
(more useless chatter)
johnny: "you have nice tits"
her: lol thanks
me: i was hella gonna say that earlier lol
she blushes (nice big ioi)
... ... ... (time passed while we played cards)
her: you have a nice face
me: well thanks, i dont get that one alot, it's usually just "you have a nice ass" or something
her: lol, ya its like thanks for making me feel uncomfortable


(edit(forgot about this little blip lol) her: im bored
me: wanna have sex?
her: lolol um no thanks
me: aw that woulda cured you boredom too
her: lol does that line ever work on girls? like does it ever actually get layed?
-i wasn't too sure what to say her, looking back i shoulda just told her it was my first time using it and shoulda asked if it was working on her and i coulda maybe thrown in a wink lol-
me: yes
her: how many times?
me: im not disclosing that information lol)


...
her: i wanna get drunk tonight
me: i got 5 on it
her: oh my god that'd be great
(more useless chatter)
... ...
*** she ended up deciding to not drink tonight and went home, b4 she left i got her number. im going to see her on thursday and my friends are gonna be around. I think they are gonna dog me more - i think that's part of the reason its so hard to spit game in front of them. Also partly because i tend to worry about what people think of me (i know, how manly, right?). Maybe partly because i'm worried i'll run out of game... Anyways how can i overcome this on thursday? I like this girl, we have a little bit in common - anime and sex - and thats all that really matters... oh yeah and she likes my hairy chest xD

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Wow i have two words for you Good Job. You didn't do anything wrong just continue doing what you're doing now and soon you'll be getting pussy right and left. Be direct say whats on your mind like you did. Be proud of what you did dude! Not everyone can do what you did. Just continue gaming other girls while you talk to this girl.

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thanks man, i tryed. im not so sure about that. first impressions im really good at. it's when i get their number and i start texting that i have a problem and screw things up - im a bit too mechanical/robotic when it comes to people and if we dont have alot in common it's hard to talk to me. also at the point of kino escalation, sometimes i forget to keep making contact and then all of a sudden we're at a point where i should be kissing her and i havent even laid hands on her, which makes the barrier to cross all that much bigger and harder to trek and at this nervous awkward moment is where i also have a high fail rate - because im so nervous thinking about kissing her that i say something stupid and lose all my confidence... im hoping this one goes well though lol.

again im still curious how i can fix my problem of gaming in big groups of people. does your attitude towards her change? are you still yourself? it's hard to pull alot of jokes with the guys stealing your thunder lol.

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Stop over-analyzing, stop over-thinking, start being COLD.

You need to snap the friends in line. NO friend of mine CB's me. IF we're sarging - we're HELPING one another. You seriously need to get that shit on lock.

Always be yourself. Always be part of the conversation, but don't dominate it - spread it equally. The good ones can enter a set of 3-4, and start guiding that entire set - always positively unless offering a WELL-PLACED neg. I never neg just for the sake of negging either. You're the center of attention - you're directing the flow... but you're not hogging it, if that makes sense...

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and frankly... after reading that stuff about meeting one another - it seems more like mental masturbation than anything else.

She's cut you off at the pass at every turn!

Let's review.... Right now you're a guy with no job, who does drugs (she'll perceive this as costing more money you already don't have), who doesn't like to buy her shit (her perception) but you have no problem caveman'ing her even when there aren't indicators to lead you in that direction.... What'd I miss?

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captain jack - teach me how to be cold lol. jk but really though that was funny

rodeo - ye i guess you're right. i hate being cb'ed however im not necessarily friends with all [oh lets say] 30 people who hang out with us, half are just aquaintances lol and i wouldnt necessarily say im alpha at heart, people think i am but im not lol.. and that makes perfect sense. but whoever the fuck said there wasn't any indicators guiding me there? i've had many ioi's from her, no i didnt mention them in the log because thats not really what this thread was about. she didnt necessarily "cut me off at any pass or turn", these are just rough estimates of how the conversations went, i can't add in everything because i smoke too much weed and frankly i cant remember half the shit i say or do. of course she isn't gonna just straight up say "ok lets fuck right now", no girl will, they have this preconcieved notion that they have to play hard to get. in fact when i asked if she wanted to have sex she got quite flustered, she was seriously considering it in her mind. she referred to it a few times after i said it. yes i was "mentally masturbating" @ her, i like to imagine her naked while i talk to her, it makes it easier to raise the sexual innuendo. i'm positive there is some raw mutual sexual attraction going on here, i saw it in her eyes, if because i enjoy drugs and cant buy shit, she doesnt wanna go out with me i'll just make her my little fuck buddy. and lastly i got her number.

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STOP!

Dude, you're making excuses based on the post YOU wrote. I don't know you. I only know what you write.

It's amatuer hour. No need to defend it - I'm not insulting you, I'm being honest.

You said she was "flustered when you asked for sex"... Dude, I don't ASK for sex. I HAVE sex. When the time is right, I move in for the kill, I don't 'ask' for permission. She knows what's going to happen then, and she's on board.

Then you say "She just isn't going to say OK lets fuck right now"... Wrong. Stop trying to guess. I have a lady whom I met last week (daygame, 1 1/2 hr F-close) whom when I invited her over for lunch said to skip lunch, she didn't want to waste time, she wanted me to fuck her.

You've filled your head with a bunch of preconceived notions about women that will 1) keep them on a pedestal and 2) ensure you are the AFC watching other men fuck the chicks you want.

Seriously, you're floundering here.

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Ok so this is about the groopculture you guys have.

1. i like to talk about EVERYTHING to my buddy's even vulnerable stuff
2. Call your buddy's out on things you don't like about them.
3. Never accuse your buddy's for rejection/fucking ugly chicks blablabla

IF THERE's SOMEONE IN THE WORLD YOU SHOULD BE HONEST AND YOURSELF WITH IT'S YOUR BUDDY'S/FAMILY AND PARTNER.

See when i don't like something my friend do i tell them! After your convo with her you should've just walked up to your buddy and tell him; "Dude!!! i'm talking to that smoking hot chick and you just bump in telling blablabla, i can't game her that way dude!!!"

So for you guys bitching one another i'd say this. I have a buddy who did this a lot and i managed to make him stop. Wen me or one of my other buddy's was talking to a girl he would jump in and say; "Hey, me and him are in a kissing competiton want to try me" He would actually get the kiss for his ballsy action and me or one of my other buddy's he did it to got pissed. So i saw my other buddy's getting frustrated about him where i would just call him out on it. I even ruened 2 of his sets and laughed hard at him telling him he shouldn't fuck mine!!!! Result. He stopped!

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HI

rodeo, please, please, please stop being so condescending. this is not the time and place to try and be "alpha", it's obvious you are forcing it so just stop. this isn't a competition, i dont care if you have to ask to have sex or not. believe it or not im trying to develop my natural game so that i can have a REAL relationship someday. a relationship where i dont have to use nlp or negs or canned material. i may be an amateur but im in a completely different dimension of the game than you are. i appreciate the honesty but on the other hand all you are doing is lowering my confidence.

lovestar that's exactly what i need to do. thank you bro, its alot more like me to be honest with my friends rather than just getting mad or whatever.

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so im gonna probably see her tomorrow. she said she wanted to get to know me b4 she gave me her number. granted i got it anyways... do i really let her get to know me? do i flirt before or after i let her get to know me? o.o

i'm not too worried about this one i just wanna perfect my craft, u know? im gonna try and get this other cute ass 17 year olds number tonight in class so as to prevent oneitis - damn that infection man, it's contagious... im gonna give her mine and tell her to call me when she's 18 (she has a bf but idgaf). i was hella flirting with her last week and she seemed interested, we talked about sex alot xD

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