In 3 months of pickup I have gotten 8 dates.
Only 1 of these dates, an instant coffee date, I was able to get my second date.
I do everything by the book: kino, statement-question cycle, assumptions.
For 7/8 first dates, I was unable to get the k-close. They straight out rejected me or gave me an excuse. Only the instant coffee date I was able to kclose on the first date.
Yet after each date, they basically tell me to fuck off by; not answering, "lets just be friends", completely rejecting my second date, flaking, or pingpong texts.

I'm not sure what I am doing wrong... Help please?

Hey dude.

8 dates is quite alot to still be struggling to get day 3's or more. This year I have been on around 100 first dates(crazy I know). I do day game 5 days a week and i usually have 4-5 first dates a week. I remeber when I first started going on dates it took 2-3 before I would start getting good results.

I cannot see what your doing wrong without more information or watching you. But I will give you a model of what I do, you can take the bits you like and dismiss the bits you think wont work:

- I first tell them to meet me at the station closest to my house (makes them invest by travelling).

- When we meet outside the station I am smiling and above all else completely calm(this will come with time). As I am walking towards her I will judge how much she has invested by looking at her makeup/heels/way she is dressed. If she has made an effort(90% of the time), I will compliment by saying 'you looking amazing, how you doing?' This works due to the fact im not looking for a reaction from the compliment, infact i just say it as a statement and ask a question before she replys. While i say this we hug.

- We then walk together towards the nice, quiet, dark and cheap cocktail bar near my house. During the walk one of the first things I will say is 'were you nervous about meeting me?' (almost always yes/a bit/maybe) judge there complience by how they reacted to the hug, if it was positive, start holding there hand after they answer and say 'you dont have to be nervous around me ' while looking into her eyes.(just please dont do that in a creepy way haha, might take a little practice).

- When you get to the bar(I saw this in a pua video about body language, but this works 100% of the time if the kino leading to this worked). Walk to the bar with her, you should be talking about lots of things now, getting to know each other there should be no awkward rush to get drinks. Order two drinks and two tequila shots. Explain to her your going to teach her how to do the 'whatever(you choose) shot'. Say this in a fun way and she will definatly be up for it, if your not coming off as a creeper by this point. Just a note, it doesnt matter who pays for these drinks, I usually say ill get the drinks you get the shots or whatever just make it unawkward, 50% of the time I will pay for both... So anyway, you have your drinks and shots, now walk to a quiet table and sit next to each other! That is so important, if she sits opposite just tap your hand on the seat next to you and say 'come sit here'.

- Now with the tequila, you go first, let her know you will show her how to do it. Firstly say 'by the way I hate tequila '.. Next you put the salt on her hand the lime/lemon in her mouth and basically do a normal shot just off her body instead. After you have done this, make a face like it tastes disgusting and even move away from her slightly. You can either K-close now or after she does the same. Dont use a routine dont say anything just look into her eyes and do it. You should have been touching quite alot by now anyway.

- After a K-close the date is easy, it takes an average of 20-30 mins to get to this point.

- Now just keep it cool and calm, tell her about yourself, listen to her and enjoy learning about her. while doing this keep a sexual vibe, kiss her neck seductively, play under the table, do whatever you have the balls for basically, you will get away with much more than you would expect.

- After an hour or two, grab her hand and say 'lets get out of here'. bring her back to your house if she is comfortable with that (90% of the time), if not go get some food or take her somewhere else.

Ill leave the rest to you, I hope you liked it.

This is my plan after meeting the girl for 2-15 mins during the day and usually 5-10 texts.

Im currently looking for a wingman in London, this is my first post on the forums, PM me if your interested. I dont mind how experienced you are, you will learn fast!

Hey man, thanks for the run down of your routine. I have yet to take a girl to the bar for the date but I could totally translate this for coffee.

When comparing, I see my problem: I'm not fun. But what could you do "fun" on coffee dates?

I guess it isn't all about having a good conversation but the things you do on the date too... Sitting there and talking to each other blankly seems boring.

Saw some MM videos last night about just sticking in my high value into my sentences, I should try to do that instead.

& Sorry, I'm from the US

You dont necessarily have to be fun, you just need to establish a bit of a connection with the girl your dating. Also forget about all that DHV stuff, that will improve as you practice cold approach naturally(when your good, everything you say is a natural DHV). Anyway if this girl is on a date with you, it means you already have attraction, the only thing trying to DHV will do is make you look try-hard and needy. Until you can do it in a way that comes across as unrehurst and completely not trying to blow your own trumpet it will ruin all dates.

If you tell me a bit more about yourself I will give you a more personal outline of how you should run a date:


How old are you?

Do you run day or night game?

How long are your sets before you #close?

Are you direct or indirect?

Do the girls you meet on dates sometimes believe your meeting as friends?(you can still easily turn this around, especially if it was cold approach she will certainly have some idea)

How many texts/calls on average do you exchange before the meetup?

Do you live in a place where you can bring girls back logistically?

The other thing I think I should add is this. I almost always use the line 'when are we going for coffee?' in my cold approach, very close to the start. I have still, to this day never been on a coffee date.. Why would you? If you have just met the girl on the day2 and the intention was to go for coffee, just say 'ive had a crazy day, lets go for a cheeky drink instead'. Going for coffee can make it hard to esculate, especially if its a busy shop, the girl your with may not feel comfortable making out with a guy infront of lots of strangers in a coffee shop.

I appreciate the personal help, thanks!
How old are you? 18. If they're older, I will tell them I am 20 so I'm on the border of not being able to go to bars

Do you run day or night game? Day game, usually at a college campus area.

How long are your sets before you #close? We'll say anywhere from 1 to 10 mins, some students are in a rush but will give it up

Are you direct or indirect? Direct on solo sets. With a Wing it varies. The 8 dates were mostly direct, it seems more honest but less natural.

Do the girls you meet on dates sometimes believe your meeting as friends?(you can still easily turn this around, especially if it was cold approach she will certainly have some idea) Usually, I toss in the word "date" through text just in case.

How many texts/calls on average do you exchange before the meetup?
Five- hi, what's up, response, availability, date proposal.
Do you live in a place where you can bring girls back logistically?
Not at all. I commute about an hour to get to the city which is where I go to college and meet girls.

On my coffee dates, we meet outside the shop then walk in to purchase coffee. After that I suggest we take a walk in the park. Then we sit next to each other on the same side of a bench to talk and stuff.