I'm an alcoholic and I am getting professional help now... I can't be around that shit.
I'm 24 years old and I have never done day game. I'm a good looking guy 6'0 but have no confidence I lost alot lately doing nothing....even though I know I'm good looking I feel like I need validation every now and then and I know its not good...

I'm in a huge slump right now that I can't seem to get out of... any help would be greatly appreciated

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Have you considered online dating? If you are relatively good looking, you have good odds of attracting decent females. Most women online, tend not to do the bar scene, that's why they are online. There is a lot of women that don't even drink online, infact on POF it says right on their profile if they drink or not.


It would also allow you the opportunity to practice interacting with women without being around alcohol. If you need help with creating a profile, I could give you some tips.

I have met tons of women through that site alone.

Keep fighting the battle my friend, I lost my mother to alcohol abuse at a very young age so I am fully aware of its power.

If I can offer you any assistance, don't be afraid to ask.

Stay strong grasshopper.

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Isn't that a little counter-productive as to why he's asking
for help on a pick-up forum in the first place?

The whole point of learning
pickup is so that you get out you're house and meet
real people in the real world instead of depending on
technology and virtual women
to fill that neglected void of
not having companionship
in the first place.

I've never heard one MPUA tell their students to resort
to dating online if they can't get the job done themselves.
Real PUA's never resort to online dating, what kind
of social value do you get from that? After you're
done trying to find a girl online you'll still have
that anxiety to meet real people instead of
on a chat room.

10 minutes alone with a girl next to you is better than 3 hours on SPAM.

I'm no PUA, but I know that if I really want to
get anywhere in life you've got to put up, shut up,
get the fuck out of that bubble and push yourself
to try harder and get what you want, no matter how
hard it gets cause if you don't
you'll be stuck in a rut and
complain till you're a bitter and
dying old man
filled with regret.

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I can understand where you are coming from. I drink alot and I like to take myself out of that for a few weeks sometime but I still love talking to new women. What I did was I got a few hobbies and I took an hour every day to go to a coffee shop or sit in a park to see how the world revolves... I found it deepened me.

You're working on your life and I really respect that, we all know alcohol doesn't make girls come to you easier... your persona does and who you are does... You could go to alcohol free bars or just events in the evening that involve people. There are so many possibilities for you... I hate sounding like a book of metaphors but you can do anything... heck tomorrow you could even get up and decide to do a survey of women with a clip board just for fun.

Hope i've helped.

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Online dating is merely an avenue to creating those very interactions. In fact it is way more efficient then actually going out to clubs. You have a basic profile of the individual you message. You can pre-screen everyone based on their interest. ( non drinker) and beliefs. People chat online, then set up dates to meet in person. It's like women at a bar wearing signs on their foreheads, saying I am single. I am just looking for fun, I am looking for a relationship. I just want to get fucked...etc etc. etc.

I am guessing you do not use this avenue for dating. You will often find a much larger array of women online then you will in a night club or party. A lot of women do not like to go to clubs as they don't like to be engaged by every drunk guy that finds them attractive.

Also a lot of women are bad at rejecting men. They feel bad and instead of straight up telling them they are not interested, they would rather avoid it all together. Online they don't have to worry about dealing with these types of encounters, if they don't like someone they simply delete the message and don't reply.

I think you would be pleasantly surprised at the amount of attractive women you can find online. If you don't believe me, go onto OK cupid or Plenty of Fish. Do a search for women in your general area, now tell me if you will see that many women at the bar in one night.

Chai, if you wish to expand your horizons I suggest you keep all avenues available to yourself. You will find that women can become a lot more open within the safe confines of their cyber walls.

Also please keep in mine the OP's present state and battle with his addiction.

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It sounds like a load of insecure people trying to find other
insecure people in my opinion.

Why go though all the trouble of going
online, putting in your details, sifting through people,
judging people on their profile pics and their
supposed 'hobbies and interest' and then
finally messaging them hoping for a
response? I don't go online for those reasons.

What's stopping me from creating a profile, pretend to be a HB10 and
make this my profile pic...

and then begin adding in all the details every AFC is expecting to hear:
"Love long walks on the beach, South Park, PS3, dancing, drinking
and being naked " and then message a bunch of hopeless
people into thinking I'm a real person and then for the fuck of it
tell them in the end I'm a fake and I was just
fuckin with him for my amusement?

Please...

If the online dating industry was so effective as you say it
is there wouldn't be a community or even this forum.

Finally, lets just say for sake of argument that you're
a guy, go online, do everything, search...boom, you
see this:

you message her, you exchange info, you have the same hobbies and
when one day you decide to meet she's like this:

and her excuse is "The photo I used was like from 2008 "
would you still want to try and make it work and
even more so, are you satisfied for what
you ended up getting?

Online dating is not the answer, it's only a temporary
substitute for not aiding or even attending to
the problem. There's never a guarantee
you'll find the women you're after online.
All the hot girls and wonder-women aren't
on the other side of the computer,
what would validate them or even
get them to consider joining
a dating site anyway? You
don't see girls Megan Fox
or Jessica Alba (despite their fame)
online...they have been gifted with fantastic
genetics and see no need to hide behind
a facade of pixels...

It doesn't
make sense.

All the women you want are
out there in the clubs at night,
the malls during the day, the bars,
the parks in the morning, the shops...Their
all there waiting for a confident guy
to come along and show them
what sets them apart from
the rest. Its up to you
if you think you're
good enough to
step up the
plate
and believe it or not
you'll get more info on this forum
then you will applying for a bootcamp.

Obviously the poor bloke is having a bad time trying to
figure out how to resolve his current situation, but
countless people have also been in that same space
and had tremendous success and have become the
rockstars they've always wanted to be.

But sure I mean if you think sitting at the
keyboard is more constructive than be my guest.

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did you see Bravo's 21 con stuff on youtube... it looks like your just recycling his opinions...

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Thanks bro I really appreciate the support. And you know that's not a bad idea I tried it once for like 2 weeks and I would get a good amount of messages from girls but never really followed through because I changed my mind and wanted to pickup girls the old fashion way. I am really picky about girls so maybe this would help me weed out the girls that are not my type personality and looks wise. My brothers friend actually got married using a online dating website which is pretty cool and proves not all the people you meet online are going to be weirdos.
That's awesome advice I needed that. Coffee is something I like so might as well go out there and trying to talk to girls while I do that. Its summer so I will defintely get out there more and just start interacting with women. Thanks man.

Then try day game

Seriously... The answer's so simple lol

1. You want something to change
2. In order for something to change, you need to do something different
3. Answer = Do something different

and fuck online dating haha

That's a bit of a bad way of putting it considering
I haven't seen that particular 21convention you're talking
about , but I didn't
come to that conclusion from that, I'm actually
re-iterating a comment I read here on the
forum from one of the Moderators
or elite members a long time ago...
They might of have to that recent conclusion
from other sources, or event the Bravo thing,
EITHERYWAY...I have to say I agree with them.

I considered signing up for a boot-camp a
few months back when I was stuck in my rut
of not going anywhere in my game, but thankfully
AFC Adam Lyons gives away most his boot camp material
online or download with no charge.

I meant to say
that you can learn more 'online' then on the forum,
which in essence is just a large support group
of other guys helping each other...but
you can learn the exact same stuff
from guru's who put their stuff
online, you're just not
physically there which the
big difference. It's up to you to learn
the stuff they compiled for you and you
must promise yourself to use that
material to make yourself better.

I've got all Adam Lyons books, audio, video
and secret VIP boot-camp material he teaches...
it's the same shit and you progress either way.

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A moderator who agree's with me!

My work here is done.

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@ Chai. What you suggest is quite possible, people fake shit all the time in online dating, but that doesn't mean all do. An intuitive man can easily spot out phoney people within the first few interactions. It's up to the individual to see through that stuff, and that comes with experience I guess, but if you think of the minimal effort it takes, to interact with women online, it has it's benefits.. As I mentioned before, i have met some very attractive women through online dating sites. And it's not because I can't meet women through other outlets, its because of it's convenience.

Some people are extremely busy and this form of meeting people can be incredibly efficient. I also found it takes a unique style of game to seduce a woman with your words alone.

I have been quite successful in the past using online sites. It's not for everyone, but it works for me. And for someone in a particular situation, where bars and clubs are not a viable option, it is a sufficient replacement as one your options to meet women.

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