I mean really , all I see here is guys who had a girlfriend before or even had sex , and if they did they didn't really had a problem.They had some switch on their minds telling them that they can't do it,and they couldn't

However IT IS REALLLYYYY SAAAAD AND MAKES ME ANGRY THAT PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM DO NOT IMPROVE !

I mean it's like we are stuck on something.It's like even though I got into pickup I still have the same badluck with women,I know what I have to do,but us who never kissed a girl and have this problem,I don't think we can solve that easily...

First of all,if we never did kissed a girl it means there is something a bit wrong with us,while I may not mean by shy,it's that we have a huge problem with who we are and I think that may stop us.

For example I am a guy who is normal to good looking,but I have huge problems when I am socializing and it's not only when I am not comfortable,but it's also the people who am I comfortable with.I always make bad grammar mistakes,and pay little attention to what I say,and often say stupid things,and incorrectly.

What does this mean? Should I check a psychiatrist?

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Sounds to me like you are focusing intently on what you haven't done rather than focusing on learning how to do it.

Is there a specific mental health condition or something you think you might have? If so then by all means get checked out. PUA can't solve everything in life. From what you mentioned about mangled grammar and inappropriate remarks dyslexia or ADD could be a possibility *legal disclaimer this is not medical advice just my own thoughts*.

On the other hand, you could just work on the specific issues you have identified. So work on your grammar, work on being more mindful of blurting things out. See if that helps. Read specific techniques for your specific issues and see if they help.

Good luck bro. If you have anything you ever want to ask feel free to PM me.

Work on your Inner game first. Get to the point where you are totally comfortable with meeting people. Start by saying hy to strangers. Take it step by step, don't expect to get laid the first time you go out just because you know what to do. You need to practice and see what works for you and what doesn't. For me the hardest thing to do was to kiss the first girl. When you achieve that and see that ''the shit'' works,it gets much easier. That's how it was with me at least.

OFF TOPIC: but the guy above me... 4 posts 50 rep? How does that work...

ON TOPIC: It took me about 5 months of learning game to even get my first kiss close (during a teen night at some shitty club, I was 18 at the time and the girl was 17) and even LONGER for sex.

Learning game for me consisted of reading and absorbing every piece of information/method I could get my hands on and cold approaching girls at the mall. When it comes to PUA rooshv had a perfect analogy on it...
It's really sad when people who really have a problem do nothing to fix it. You could blame everyone except yourself but still be in the same position you are now years down the line.

And your right it's NOT an easy problem to solve. You need to break it down and really figure out what your struggling with and what you can do to improve.

If you really want to see results be in the presence of women as often as possible. Give yourself the most exposure possible and things are bound to happen in your favor. Half the game is just being there.

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I started from : never held a girl's hand before

got my first kiss close after 3 months of sarging...and that's when i'm 22 years of age..

i admit the first kiss close was kinda hard, because you're conscious of your behavior...

but you MUST BREAK from the vicious cycle!!! once you get your first one, it just starts rolling...

and yeah, making out with a girl is the best way to get the temperature high in order to full close her... touching her comes 2nd imho...

hope that helps

Totally understand you man.
I have the same problem and it is frustrating to me. Fuck it, it was frustrating to me even at age 16 and I'm 19 now. Even back then I was embarassed I still didn't kiss a girl.
I've been in pickup for less than 2 years. Reading all of the material I can read. Watching every video I can watch just to be at the same place I was when I was 16.

I too think I am average or above with my looks. But aguess I am insanely worser with my balls. I mean what else could it be? Even the biggest losers off my friends got their first kiss. Some of them look like total shit and they all had it. Some of them even got laid and look like shit + have bad game.

Shit just doesn't make any sense. For someone who didnt even get the first kiss (me) it is hard. It really is. It is hard to kiss for the first time for me even if you get approached by the girl. I don't know how this is going to work out for me. I'm really desperate. I have 2 older bros and they are both extremely good with women.

I need to work on my inner game more, I need to approach and get that first kiss, because it is driving me crazy. Everyone says that everything is so much easier after that. I sure hope so because if it isn't I won't get laid till im 30 xD.

Piece man, I'll keep you posted about my progress

hey dude dont worry about it.

i came out of high school never kissed a girl, never had much interaction with women, never had a girlfriend, etc. What you say "ground zero." Was never even much of a social person, I had my close group of friends in high school but thats it. I graduated high school when I was 17 btw.

18 now, and i'm in college. Honestly, dont worry about this whole pickup shit till your actually good with women and confident in yourself. Start off just trying to be that cool dude, or social guy everybody wants to talk to. Talk to girls and dudes just to be friendly, don't try and hit on them memorize techniques, etc. Just be completely yourself around girls and it wont be creepy. Talk to them as you being a friendly person, and gradually work up from there. Yeah, you'll get friend zoned even after you get numbers but this whole process builds your self confidence.

Like realistically you cant expect to go from "never having kissed a girl or even talking to girls " to just straight getting laid every night...

It'll be a slow process (Hell I started once college started and I didnt start to get good till second semester but the whole time its so fun. and im still improving), but the more time that goes on and the more you practice the better you get. Know that you are always progressing, and you'll gradually feel better and better about yourself. For example, when you first start talking to girls you'll feel good. Then when you get your first number, you'll feel even better. Then when you kiss a girl you'll feel like your a fucking boss and you rule the world. What you gotta realize is that YOU WILL MAKE MISTAKES. Just try and learn from them and not make them again. It's a really fun process, so just go with it and have fun with it. Every girl you meet at first youre gonna think shes perfect for you and she's the best but thats just your emotions speaking. TRUST ME ON THIS. You will treat it like a realationship, because you REALLY like the girl a lot but all this does is turn them off and you come across as needy. So when you think your giving girls enough space give them some more. You should only see them like for a few minutes to an hour or two a week...(if your in college) Chicks in your class, TRUST me on this too. dont do anything till the semester is over. What i know is that if you spend too much time with a chick at the beginning all your gonna end up is being friend zoned.

So just focus on yourself, confidence in yourself, walk with long strides, hold eye contact with everyone, dont drop it but dont stare everyone down, be a fun social person all the time and attracting chicks is nothing. Check out noahhammond for self improvement/developtment/confidence in yourself but most confidence comes from your practices,experiences, etc. Most importantly have fun with it and take it from me, I started in your same boat, if not a little lower and I'm a fucking boss now. not even a year since ive been doing this. GOOD LUCK AND STICK IT OUT! YOU CAN DO IT!

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