3 Words for you buddy- Fuck you retard.....!

Best post I've read on this forum by OP. Those have been my thoughts for a while now.

The reason I stay in the PUA community is so that I don't return to my old self as I'm still in the 'transformation' phase. Hopefully in a few months when I truly adopted the better me I won't need to be here anymore.

PUA has been a life changing thing that's for sure but most of it is bullshit. People forget that the likes of David DeAngelo MAKE MONEY from this. THIS IS THEIR JOB.

In the industry I work, colosal companies make announcements that this is the secret, everyone needs to invest now because in 5 years demand will be out of this world. The company I've talking about makes a profit of several billion per year. Probably because they are so good at marketing (it's not Apple btw lol), and guess what? There's no big demand coming AT ALL. They just publish big figures based on factors from 2005 where the figures don't account recession, population, national events, war etc etc. PUA is no different. I see DeAngelo on Youtube and I think "my fucking lord what am I doing".

What you have to do:

1. Learn woman want sex just as much as you but they can't show it due to social issues, you have to break it down
2. Natural game, do this. Forget routines any everything. Just literally approach and be direct or indirect.
3. Practice, stay active in PUA to keep yourself at it, like a kick up the arse
4. Once your happy with what you achieve and aren't fussed about marrying a HB10 who's fanny will look like a wizard sleeve and whose looks will disappear in a few years as will her fat free body, it's time to leave.

I'm on part 3. So I'm no king, I still post and ask questions on how to handle certain things and as a result I figure out I have an insecurity somewhere such as always having to have control. And rather than changing how I handle the situation, I fix my insecurity.

I'm not slagging off PUA, it's changed me. I have more friends and more woman thanks to it. But that's only because I recognised woman want sex as much as me. It taught me to be more confident with myself and the power of touching.

But there comes a time when you reach the end of the road and have to leave.

P.s bootcamps are the biggest con I've ever seen in my life

I agree that most of this pick-up stuff is mostly mental jibber jabber. But whatever, each to his own. If you believe it works, it can work. I've always found it be strange to start a conversation with the question "who lies more?"

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also, I would like to point out that websites like PUAhate, and gurus such as aaronsleazy and 60yearsofchallenge, are just marketing you more PUA, they just do it under the niche of ANTI COMMUNITY, when in reality eventually if any of these websites/guru's get popular they will attempt to commercialize and make money

it is all marketing, and their marketing pitch is, EVERYTHING IS FAKE, LISTEN TO US BRAHHH, WE THE LEGIT!!!

learn to think for yourself, you can take something of value from just about every pua guru regardless if they are pro community, or anti community,

pickup in it's self is about self improvement, always trust yourself and make your own decisions on what is good advice and what is bad advice, because what works for one person may not work for another person, and realize in the end that most people trying to tell you what is right and what is wrong, what is fake and what is real, are simply trying to market something to you, or build a fanbase and brainwash so that they can market something to you in the future

Instead of swearing at each others we can actually have a conversation about this... i personally come to this website for other people's opinions. it is a learning curve and no one has all the answers, a fresh point of view always helps. Sometimes when i;m chatting a girl on the internet i get stuck so i ask a friend of mine to help me and he does so gladly.
About Neil Strauss' the Game. i never tried ANY of the stuff in there. he even tells you not to memorize the openers. The book is just about inspiration and self belief. if that guy can get all the girls then why can't I ? Also, what if you learn palmistry or handwriting analysis? does that make you a copy cat or something? it just makes you more interesting thus having a better personality

Good post. And bootcamps are a huge scam.

Now I think the main problem that I've seen with the PUA community is that it leads to the belief that looks don't really matter and that with the right openers, routines, and closing methods you'll be able to get HB8's,9's and 10's.

Well just a casual reading of FR's (Field Reports) on virtually all of the "pick up" boards will disabuse one of that notion. Average looking guys still do average with women.

So how do you get better with women without spending thousands?

Well if you're an introvert, you can take medication to help or you can just find a social group that works for you and build a social group from there that comports with your interests. And don't try to be an extrovert, which is against your fundamental nature, be true to your own personality.

As for more about, "outer game" a few basics:

1. Learn to dress better, that can be difficult depending on where you're starting out, but try to dress as those who tend to be popular and do well with women.

And peacocking, or dressing as a clown character is not a viable solution for the average guy, furthermore, if you're truly alpha do you need to draw attention to yourself? Of course not.

2. If you're overweight, lose weight, and unless you have high status or social value women will not be attracted to you, that's just basic biology, and if it's impossible to lose weight short of surgery, then hide it with dressing better.

3. If you're too skinny, bulk up, and if you're a hard gainer (i.e., you find it difficult to gain weight) ingest at least 2500+ calories a day using weight gaining shakes and extra food). And while bulking up work out to get more muscular.

Again this is basic biology, women like more muscular guys, not ultra skinny guys, unless you have high social/social value to counter it.

4. If you're a bit shorter than average, use lifts in your shoes or height increasing shoes. Again, basic biology, women like men who are taller than themselves.

5. And body language, it is important, but without all the other aforementioned steps being taken it won't help much.

Now you can't exactly charge thousands for the above advice, since it's free, just not usually put out there in a systematic way, but once you take it you'll find you'll get far more IOI's and interest from women, just by looking more like an alpha male.

And once that happens, then you can use some pickup techniques that will help you not mess up with women who are already interested in you. But until you change the physical image you present to the world those techniques aren't going to help much at all.

Good advice above.

Looks do matter unless you have some status to go with it (footballer). Doesn't mean you have to be gorgeous, but you can't be a fat, bald slob and expect HB9/10.

And some women are shallow and what great looking guys. That's life the sooner you except it the better.

It's amazing what a good style of clothing will do for you though.

The "looks don't matter" thing has to be taken with a pinch of salt, remember guys advertise this shit to get money. Also, they mainly say that you can get a number regardless of looks, well a number means nothing.

You don't have to be great looking to do well, but you must give yourself a respectable presentation. Bald, fat and scruffy doesn't cut it no matter how good your game is.

There is always thous guys who dont really get the pickupart.

They think its some sort of magick that well help get any chick you wont.

Well it will increase your chases to a lot of chiks but wont get you everyone you wish.

It is showing chiks that you have traits that they wont and transform you in person with that traits. Yeah it matters but, it matters that
You are not dirty, you are haircutted, you are not fat, and that you care about your looks!

Its not looks itself, like if you are pritier that you will have chiks. Thats just bs. Noone gets chiks on pretty eyes only.

I know a lot of NOT SO GOOD LOOKING guys who get babes

Yeah that's my point. Some girls with demand good looking guys, but there is more to it than that. I'm sure saying if you're dirty, fat, bald and ugly don't expect HB10 like people claim is possible.

Basically that is what pickup teaches you...

Okay so you're saying because you hate the pickup community it inspired you become your best self and reach success. So basically you have reached success because of pickup? Because if it wasn't for pickup you'd have never been inspired...

what I THINK!!!! I SAY THINK BECAUSE I KNOW I MIGHT BE WRONG
Is that you took up everything too literally with no social calibration. The most importan part of most of this stuff is the mind set and the understanding of social interactions. Not the lines, the moves the dress code or the techniques...

This.

If you truly believe looks and money matter you are just going to get women that care about only those two things. Good luck with that.
If you are boiling down all women as just "walking holes" then don't expect getting any action based on your personality.
If you are desperate sure, any female will do the trick. Problem is they will smell how desperate you are from miles away, and that's a huge turn off.

Hey dude. If you hate pu so much. Why do you even come here, eh? I'd say ''find some other stuff to do man''. But according to your posts, you found some stuff to do. So GO AWAY AND KEEP DOING IT.
Also,as pumpington keeps saying,
Pickup is about self improvement. It's a bit like Karate or Kung fu or MMA. The more you commit yourself,the better results you get. In other words....(wait for it)....You reap what you sow.

I rest my case.

Hello everyone,

Just to point out things. Thanks to the guys who are supporting me though and I'm surprised this thread didn't get deleted but here it goes.

1. When I'm interested, dating etc. in a girl, I actually don't give a shit at all if it works or not. This is probably the most key concept I could ever endow on this thread. How can someone be desperate if I simply don't give a shit? I have better things to do. My mentality is that if you don't like me, well it wasn't going to work out, your loss. And if you do, well let's have fun and see if we can take this long term. I would rather focus on my energies on productive stuff like my studies and career than "self improving myself" solely for picking up women.

2. I don't directly think "o is she IoIing me?" or "o she gave me that LOOK, what does that mean?", "what do i say now?", "do i escalate now?" "when do i kiss her" "maybe i shouldn't said that" "fuck i should had talked about this" blah blah I JUST DO. That's what I mean by following my intuition and using the experience I have with girls. That's the thing about pickup. You OVERTHINK over something that should be simple.

3. And I DO have standards but you see, the reality is not every guy can pick up the hottest girls even if they try their very best to be alpha or whatever. Directly going for supermodel hot when you don't even have any value yourself and pretending to be alpha when you have no real achievements like sporting, academic or career-wise which MEN should be aiming for, that just doesn't make sense to me.

4. It's ironic how I'm being pointed out for being shallow or whatever. THIS IS HUMAN NATURE. Why is it any better if a girl likes you for your personality, for your money or for your looks? In the end, it's something you have over somebody else and whether you're each others type. Girls nowadays are smart and beauty is a depreciating asset that won't be there forever. Might as well make the most of it, I know if I was a hot girl, I'd fucking exploit the shit out of it. And wait a minute? How about you guys? AREN'T you doing this so you can meet girls that are hot, your type or whatever? Geez, and when have men became such advocates of personality. As quoted from a previous mentor, "Check out that personality on that chick!"

5. It's somewhat ironic to me that men who are aiming to pick up girls can claim to be alpha when actually I think that kind of mentality is weak in itself because why would you give so much emphasis on getting a GF when you should just let life run its course?

6. There is a reason why good looking/rich guys get hotter girls easily and there's whole shit of psychology studies done on it. Deal with it. But I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to not get into another "league" so to speak. It's very possible indeed.

7. Networking is very important,. I should had emphasised in the OP. Anyways, I don't even cold approach anymore but I'm still meeting a lot more girls that have opened up to me and are potential GF material. You shouldn't just aim to pick up girls. Go out with your friends. Go to parties. Go out to playing some sports, hobbies etc. Go to classes and meet a new person etc. If you don't know anyone, simply your career, your love life and your life in general will be severely affected if you simply don't network. These are the things that are much more valuable than just focusing on "picking up chicks".

I hope that emphasizes why Pick Up in itself is a very bad idea and we should aim to focus on life and reaching our potential in whatever we do best whether it is in sports, videogaming, research, career, stock trading, story-telling, marketing, making films and movies etc. , rather revolving our world over women. Once you get that right, then the women will come to you. Trust me.

This is the main reason why I want to help people but I suppose some people would want to attack me for trying to help and claiming my life is shit because I'm on this forum. /mindfucked lol

I read the first thing where he puts "being rich" gave a big facepalm and closed this thread. This man fails to understand the aspects of attraction between the two. You can't compare men to women. Some women think like you do about "exploiting their good looks for a social gain" but man....I guess aren't you the lucky alpha male that gets to have all those "Real" girls to himself.