If you would be going out on a regular basis at least 2 times each week and doing more than 20 sets each week..you would cleary realise that you're focusing on something that it's not important. How many times you get rejected is really not important at all. Both guys got laid at the end of the night. Same results different methods. EVERY GOOD PLAYER KNOWS REJECTION IS JUST A PART OF THE GAME. Because your focusing so much on rejection when your talking..I'm 95% sure you're not having the experience in field that you're supposed to have. This is not rocket science..it's something anyone with more than 200 approaches realizes. Go out, stop reading and stop CREATING %%. Stop creating imaginary statistics..

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I really don't understand why you guys care about ratio so much. I'm a pretty attractive guy and if I cared about a 80+% success rate I would go after ugly girls. I won't go after girls I find unattractive or even average to be honest. I am narcissistic and I know the way a girl looks doesn't mean how easy it's going to be to get her but overall speaking usually average or worse are infact easier and if having a 80-100% success rate would mean going mainly after these girls than I'm out. I'll take my 2 out of 10 as long as their going to be 10 times more attractive than the 10 ugly girls you have sex with just because your ratio is going to be good.

U have described urself as having both qualities. However aggressiveness and dominance is not the same thing, u can be a mma foot soldier, u r not a street fighter, so u r not telling me much. Acts lf heroism are similar to romantic courage.

If u r indirect u r not risking anything. U r not taking any of the risks that u do in the ring, for fear of humuliation. U r incongruently alpha. I have flaws but I am not in denial

If u want dominance think of Don King or a pimp. I m not talking about nice people but it is clear they are in control.

Being In Direct I do not doubt that u r a nice guy.

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Ok to sum it up this OP tried to be direct got rejected a lot and saw that as failure.

What he fails to realizes is even if he had been Indirect with those same women he would have failed just the same. The rejection might not have been as abrupt as a direct approach he would have probably got some small talk but ultimately he would have still gotten rejected just a longer more frustrating process.

Another thing i see his direct game is based of 60YOC. 60's decent but he doesn't lay the ground work toughing your spine for all the criticism you're going to recieve from women for being direct. But "Mode One does

It's foolish to believe you're going to get 85% of the women you approach just because you have good game. Some girls won't like you no matter how good your so called game is.

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I will say in their defence however that indirect guys DO risk rejection.


They simply don't risk the same KIND of rejection. However, to say that if you are un-afraid of one activity you will be un-afraid of another doesn't make any sense. People fear different things on different levels. There are sky-divers who freak out at spiders, and successful PUAs who don't like fighting.

I think you'll find as life goes on, that in the western world at least, it pays to be nice -within reason-.

FOOLISH, DELUSIONAL, NO MAN CAN GET 85% OF WOMEN HE APPROACHES........blah blah blah. REJECTION IS A PART OF PICK UP, DON'T BE AFRAID OF IT< EMBRACE IT! blah blah blah.

This is all the mentality of the pick up monkey, not that of the pick up artist. 85% is more then possible. If you are above average looking and are an artist rather then a pick up monkey. If you are going into an approach with the mind set that it's ok to get rejected, i'll just go up to 10 other girls, eventually one will give in, and even if there isn't one, hey at least I am learning something.

What are you learning, how to get rejected, what type of women will typically reject you? Play the numbers game and yes, you may get laid. Get used to rejection and yes it will not be so bad when it happens. Accept it as a certainty in the art of seduction, and you will NEVER become a true pick up artist.

If you are approaching random women without any reads, or without creating attraction and without having created the image of being a desirable man, then yes, 85% will be impossible.

Seduction is not about approaching random women and attempting to talk their panties off. I't can be a form of it, but this is a recipe to failure. You don't know if the girl is even attracted to you, you don't know if she has a boyfriend, a girlfriend, husband, hates men. Doesn't like your style...etc etc.


Women are emotion based, they wear their hearts on their sleeves, if you know the signs, they will basically pick you up. All you have to do is play the game.

Anyways this is something I feel needs to be addressed. I will be writing a well detailed post explaining how 85% and above is more then possible. I will write it within the next few days, I don't have the time at the moment.

I have had that ratio for years, It's not something anyone can do, but it is very very possible, with the right skill set, style, posture, attitude and looks.

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See why most people get rejected using 60s is because they escalate really freaking fast. Thing is even if you're really good looking guy like me you will get rejected by a lot of women for escalating too fast.

the thing with rejection is that you shouldn't ignore it. You should analyze what happened and why, then make sure it doesn't happen again. If you just ignore it you will keep making the same mistake again.

That's like me taking a test, failing it... I get offered a re-take... I ignore my initial fail so I don't study for my retake... and I fail it again. Yes there will be other tests that you will be able to Ace, but why limit my odds? Why would I set a limiter on my seduction skills. Fuck! Why would I set a limiter on any of my skills? I want to be constantly improving my skills, especially something that I'm into. (And there's always room for improvement. Nobody is perfect)

If u r unafriad in one activity u should have the desire to not be unafraid in others, otherwise u r liimiting urself. The template is already is in your brain.

Stelar using his direct version is risking his life and limb. Indirect guys can turn around and say "hey I was only asking an opinion.

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^good, that is what i said and how it should be 4 pages back:

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^ a lot of the times you do not make any mistakes and you still get rejected...

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A girl would never publicly admit that she rejected a guy because she thought he was ugly. She will just say he was creepy. I agree with Skills.

I don't know of any ulgy guys who are players. If Ross Jeffries has even slept with one women I would call that a success.

I have to say I have seen ugly guys with grooming look good, but most ugly guys feel it won't make a difference so do not bother.

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The Jackal an Introduction.
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The Field Reports.
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The Lay Reports.
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Not sure of your definition of ugly but this guy isn't good looking either, here: http://justinwaynepua.com/category/just ... y-reports/

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“Champions know that success is inevitable; that there is no such thing as failure, only feedback. They know that the best way to forecast the future is to create it."

Oh please...not again...the same shit over again.

Here we have in the red corner: The naturals. They generally don't give a fuck about being rejected if in the end they get laid, so they prefer to run the numbers game, whose correct definition was already mentioned(the magic number stuff)

And here in the blue corner: The Methodists. They try working on minimizing rejection rate, playing mind games, and use general psychology to achieve their goal.

The result: Both team has winners eg.: Cajun, Style, Sixty, Vin Dicarlo. Both team has failures: guys stuck in the friendzone(team MM), guys who get rejected every time they go direct (team natural). Probably for the "losers", switching team will help, probably won't. Depends whether it was just an issue of congruence or a completely wrong attitude towards women.

Now team MM can go on all day about having better success rate, it just doesn't matter to naturals, they don't give a fuck about success rate. Naturals can go on all day about rejection not being important, the fans of MM just don't like to be rejected and that's all.

Rather than comparing the success rate of the methods, may I suggest a SATISFACTION rate instead. How well each team is satisfied with their own method, because I think this is what really matters. You're basically as happy with your life as satisfied you are with it. And I believe that we wouldn't really find statistically significant difference here, so even if I know it won't happen, I kindly ask everyone to stop this completely pointless argument...

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