Just think about what you are doing, what you are feeling. What you want to feel, What you want to do. What your head is telling you. What your gut is telling you. Ask yourself "why are they telling me that?"

Then go with what you've chosen. The important thing is that your decision makes sense to you, progress's you and feels right with you.

That's selective observation. People who want to talk the most, dominate the chat. People who want to hang out there, hang out there. I don't even pretend to follow all the forum posts anymore. I just look at the top level of the forum, scan the most recent posts, and if something catches my eye I look at it. Otherwise I'd conclude that 80% of people here never get laid. That would be selective observation based on the volume of posts in General Questions which generally ask the same things over and over again.

Also, why am I supposed to care about guy's "ethics" about sex at age 19? They're hardly out of the gate. What about the 19 year old gals they're trying to fuck? Am I supposed to believe they are behaviorally consistent creatures? I think ethics should be saved for things like seriously screwing with a fragile person's mind and emotions, or date rape, or sexual harassment, or stuff like that.

girls are so fucking scandalous I don't have any ethical issues with playing them... in fact the less you care about them and treat them like human beings the more they care about you. Most of us are coming from that "nice guy" persona where we weren't with the type of girls we want or for some weren't with them at all...

Go on any other chat on any other forum and the percentage of assholes by comparison is tiny. This is not a coincidence.

You shouldn't bother asking a PU forum for ethical advice. It's not what its here for and even if it were most of it's members are certainly not in a place secure enough to pass meaningful comment. EDIT: Check PleasureSeekers comment. His attitudes are appalingly common in the PU world.

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1 second of research on Google gave me this. I'm sure google scholar can give you plenty more examples.

http://www.un-instraw.org/grvc/en/news/ ... lture.html

But nobody could find that kind of result so quickly without a BA (HONS) IN PHILOSOPHY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA. How's that for appeal to authority?

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Well, it has been more then a year ago that the fist post on this thread has been made, but I have had some essential lessons to add to this thread, so here it goes.

Nr 2 and me got into a heavy relationship. I know its wrong, but I see it happen on the forum with a lot of guys who grow from being an AFC and into PU. They always seem to get stuck with the first 10 or 9 they get a good shot at. It happened to me as well, and I have no regrets.

We had to breakup last weekend, because things were getting les fun and too stressful. But the whole thing about the Ethical question, became a huge fuckup in the "managing expectations" section.

In april 2011 nr 2 and I went on a holiday. All of the sudden we were talking about our dating times and she said she was glad I didn't date any other women back then. Because if I did she would have walked out on me. I noticed that the lie had served its purpouse of making comfort, but I felt like a stupid idiot.

For weeks the guilt kept gnawing at me. I even posted something about it. And again someone advised me to keep it to myself. Still I had the following statement for myself:

If the lie is no big deal, then why can't I just tell the truth about what happened?

To be honest, I think relationships are built on trust, and the whole issue of the dating became a cancer in my relationship. So at one day I just decided to explain her. That the day after we had sex, there was a woman in my house (just 1,5 hours later) fora a date. But that nothing happened.

SHE WENT COMPLETELY BALLISTIC!!! She started fighting like no woman had ever fought with me. Extreme! She was crying, sobbing. Saying that my lips were hers. bear in mind that this woman was extremely sensitive since she had a nasty experience with husband that cheated on her repeatedly. So I felt like shit.

I took her home and I thought the whole thing was over. But then I gathered my forces and wrote her an e-mail stating.

1. She didn't make it easy in the dating stage (she kept breaking up)
2. Social conditioning makes it in the Netherlands very normal to keep the dating phase under the carpet (she is Latina, so cultural difference made this an issue also)
3. I told her because I don't want anything dishonest between us. Becuase else I would better not have a relationship.

The same day, after the e-mail we decided to meet next day and talk. What followed must have been what is the most emotinal and beatiful conversation I ever had. Our relationship was saved and I am glad I have kept myself strictly to being honest. Life is perhaps more diffucult, but it makes you a worthy person.

I really hope you guys out there who are combining lying whith creating extra opportunities. All that you are fucking is your own emptyness.

Learn people. Learn.

thanx and let's sarge.

Buccaneer

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