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I'm not even going to bother bolding words and making this look pro... I'ma just let the fingers flow...
We are on the pick up artist forum! We are all working to perfect the art of pick up. This is an art guys. Guys aren't playing pick up anymore, they are playing the numbers game. "I will walk up to her and offer sex. If I get rejected I move on and look for the female who is looking for the same." This is cool if you are on a gambling forum, imo.
Sure, the good old, hey lets have sex!, method is great and all, but in reality pickup in general (this includes more in depth get to know her methods) will always be a numbers game, different attitudes and different ideas will either lower or raise the amount of numbers, but no matter what there will always be an element of randomness that leads pickup to be a game of numbers, no man alive can get every girl, but can a guy create a form of attraction?, yes, is that all the matters?, no, can you screen girls by asking them if they want sex?, yes, will that lead every girl you ask to fuck you?, no, infact it is most likely not as efficent as screening girls quickly to find one that responds well, then just having balls and talking to someone to form a connection, then actually asking them home at the end of the night and doing your best to make them horny (in my opinion), but really all that needs to exist is a mutal attraction and proper logistics (also a guy that doesn't fear pulling the trigger)
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I feel like a good pua should be able to successfully pull chicks that he opens at a high percentage rate. Say 85%. This is why I follow MM. I'm not saying I am a big mac player, but what I will say is the vibes I get when having a calibrated game plan (MM) from women is a lot better than this other so called "game".
I believe once mystery himself posted that out of approximately 20,000 approaches he saw between 100-200 successful closes, mystery was also pretty popular for going 5/5 for makeouts, also style from the MM crew also wrote in his book that he has a shitload of numbers when he met his ex-wife lisa, and the book ''the game'' detailed that he went around opening alot of sets constantly, he did not fuck most of the girls he talked to either, when it comes to sex, you can go on long dry spells as well as really hot streaks, one guy might just luck out and fuck 9/10 girls by some lucky star but then not get laid for the next 4 months (this is assuming he actually is motivated to go out every night), but really having a ''high success rate'' would most likely be more as a result of the guys ability to screen and the fact that he is attractive rather then his amazing game (this is part of being attractive, but is only a peice to the puzzle), as there is more to picking up girls then simply what comes out of your mouth, a girl who is not down, is not down, no game will change this, but being able to spot approach invites and capitalize will up your game, or actually approaching a lot of sets that you find attractive and screening them for interest, also being cool as fuck and smooth will get you good responses, but that doesn't nessicarily lead to getting laid, but hey flashy makeouts and number closes make you look like a pimp, who cares if you never get it in, right?
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I used to fuck with 60YOC.. That shit isn't game, that's a numbers game. Do that shit in Vegas. I will say that once attraction and comfort are built, 60's is great! But we all know he preaches his practices from the beginning of the interaction.
be social, escalate, create a sexual frame behind the interaction, I see nothing wrong with this method, often it is the mindset of the guy doing the method and not the method it's self that has the problems, most everything has the possibility to work and at the same time has the possibility to fail, depends on the guy and what his mindset is and what action he is taking
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And another thing that makes me SMH about the community. What we define as a shit test. I see threads all the time about how when the girl brings up the classic "I have a boyfriend" line. Many take this as a shit test, but personally, I take this as the girl saying "You have no game so I'm going to make things harder for you, dumbass."
shit tests usually are categorized as follows
-reaction seeking (random statements that seek an emotional reaction, basically tests of emotional control, includes rudeness, lude sexual remarks, attempts to put social pressure on you)
-qualification (information is sought from you that is grounds for a girl to judge you as worthy/unworthy to be relationship material for her, includes questions that relate to how much money you make, what you own, who you live with, what you stance is on religion/politics, how many girls you have been with, how many friends you have, what you do for work, how old you are)
-compliance (girl tells you to do something, demands something from you)
as for the whole I HAVE A BOYFRIEND, to me that says one of two things, she is either not very attracted to you, or she actually has a boyfriend, escalate and you will figure it out really fast what is going on with her, if she responds well to escalation and flirting, then chances are she has a boyfriend but likes you, if not, that was the gtfo card she just played, as I've noticed a shit load of girls that find you attractive (at least physically) will just simply not tell you at all that they have boyfriends/husbands
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Your game should be so TIGHT, that she shouldn't even THINK about bringing that line up. I remember my cousin chatting up a waitress at a bar for a few minutes, and number closed her right afterwards. All my friends were like "Damn. He's slick." He did something very simple too to get her number: "My phone died. Could you take a picture of me and my friend and send it to me. That way I'll get it in the morning." When she was done with work he gave her a ride "home". Idk if this waitress had a bf or not, but what I'm saying is that if she did, she wouldn't be able to use that line here.
good stuff, if you develope your confidence and sense of humour really well, and get good at just vibing and making people laugh, you can probably get a good 7+/10 phone numbers from every girl you talk to, as well as look like a pimp with really good reactions, doing about the same success rate for makeouts, but I guarentee you will certainly not be having sex with more then half these girls, or at least I haven't met a guy who was at that level, and I have some pretty ridicously good looking friends with some fairly tight game, it all really depends on your goals, talk to 5 girls and spend a great deal of time on them, have sex with 2 of them after 2 weeks + of work, or talk to 50 girls, get laid with 2 of them within 1 week, depends on your goals and what motivates you, do you just want to get laid as often as possible, or do you just want every girl to like you?, because depending on the goal, two seperate guys will see two seperate outcomes differently, one outcome is more efficent to one guy, while the other is more efficent to the other guy
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And on top of all this... just to throw some icing on the carrot cake... REAL game has made me a much better people person. I can carry a convo better, even with guys. I know how to act. It has helped me out in interviews... The whole 9 yards.
*Pops popcorn and waits for feud*
that's great man, improvement is what it is all about, just find what works for you, and do what makes you happy, if you're not happy hitting on girls, then maybe it is time to stop listening to other people and just figure out what you enjoy, it makes picking up girls way better when you aren't conecered with fucking every girl you talk to, but just actually like hitting on girls for fun, you can be smooth as you want, or as caveman as you want, you can play the traveling salesman and do a 1 minute pitch for 1,000 girls as fast as possible, or you can be mr. connection and talk to one girl for a year, in the end you make your own choices, just have to get out there and figure out what you enjoy doing, rather then what someone else is doing just because they say it brings them success, because different people will have a different idea of what success is
just remember all girls are different, and who you are matters more then what you say, but what you say can effect who you are and how you are precieved
GOOD LUCK
CHAT
