My first 2 relationships and first lay came from using MM methods. Then I go to this forum and see you guys are being direct, confident, w0wzers i wanna fuck u now, so I tried it. And damn I tried it for a hella long time b/c I hear nothing but positive stuff from you guys. I get the vibe that MM sucks so I agree, and keep doing direct game like you guys mentioned. I keep trying and trying... nothing! If I'm lucky I'll get a k-close. I've noticed that the female never chases me b/c I'm the one always pushing. Finally I said fuck this shit... this isn't game... my little bro could do this.

So now that it has been forever and I've gotten 0 lays, I think it's safe to conclude that this shit isn't working for me. As of yesterday I ran into a friend and gamed her using MM style. For the first time since my relationships (which was when I used MM tactics) did I have a girl who's eyes were glued on me while I was texting. I had this girl not giving me the most ridiculous shit tests. And last but not least, as we hugged and parted ways... I had this girl hold me tightly which is something I haven't experienced in awhile. That felt good.

I miss this kinda shit... so I'ma do it this way.

No, because most of the time friends don't end up becoming more. Women don't know what they're talking about.

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Really? Byron. Casanova.

Byron had no military career to speak of, and arguably had more sex in his life than Casanova.

Casanova had a very short lived military career which he found boring and so he left age 21 to become a professional gambler (Casanova spent most of his life trying to be a professional card player, but he was terrible at it and it brought him financial ruin on a number of occasions.)

For your average guy, yes. For a guy who has game, no.

Lol @ women don't know what they're talking about. SMH.

You're right Chris... you know more about women then they do themselves.

You know, one could sum this whole thread up as Direct vs Indirect.

Actually to my surprise, I think Chris had the best reply to this whole thread when he said Seduction is an art and a numbers game as it is.

One of my friends is a ladies man, in fact I can say all of his Girlfriends have been some of the best looking girls I have ever seen in my life and what does he do? Everything that Warped says, he approaches every girl he find cute, and he is very direct in what he wants.

What I have notice however (and I been guilty in this as well), is you think that 60YOC is about you just going up to a girl and saying, "I want to fuck you now." While I am sure that can work, that is not exactly what I feel 60yoc was trying to teach.

What I took from 60yoc is that being comfortable and confident in your own sexuality is one of, if not than the best, attractive and natural quality a man can have.

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This may aid

it still seems like this whats your number, success rate, percentage bullshit, don't wanna get rejected thing is coming from the 'pick up artist batting average' frame, throwing this out there...


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^^yes. who cares if you get rejected by 10 girls if you then end up pulling a stunner?
if you are still gonna be a bitch and like 'oh noo my average sucks i didnt close 90%', and not care about actually pulling a hot girl then there is something wrong with you!

Precisely. A man must know that what he's doing is right and the woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

For example. Woman: I have to get to know you more first
Man: Yeah...I see what you mean but I can't get to really know you unless we fuck. You're pretty and you turn me on every time I am around you.

The truth is that after you fuck her, then you really get to know her through all the pillow talk and intimacy. Can't achieve that with just being platonic eh?

You tell me man. You know shit very well.

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aye yo,, ur wrong

You can't take a shit test and assume this is how women talk. We're talking about genuine female talk. Go look up some popular model interview on YouTube.. A lot of the times the question gets asked, "What do you look for in a guy". They reply, "He has to have a good sense of humor. Intelligent." etc etc etc. Do you honestly think she is going to lie? For what? To set wrong standards for herself and fuck guys she doesn't really want to fuck?

The fact that you actually think you know what women want better than the women themselves means you're one big tool.

The fact that you believe women knows what they want just confirms what I already know about you...

Anyways, start actually going out and you will learn what women want too.

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From my experience, women dont have self awareness, they aren't logical beings, and often they don't know what they're talking about.

I often ignore women's words, and I only look at how they feel and what their bodies say, what caused that certain emotion. Other then joking around or having a few sincere talks with women, I generally don't care about their words and opinions of life and dating unless I deem it valuable from my observations.

Women in clubs are especially stupid and emotional.

As for that model who says she wants a funny and smart man, etc. I don't care about her opinion, why you ask? Because I already know from history, psychology and pua that women are attracted to those qualities. I would rather observe and engage her emotions to find out what makes her really tick.

I've talked to many women when they discuss life and guys. I ask, why do you like that guy and why do you find him creepy? When they explain the situation I already learn the answer from my analysis, but they however cannot pinpoint it. They just say, I dont know, there's something about him, he's cute, he's creepy, weird, charming...w/e it may be, they cannot see the real reason why they like or dislike someone in many cases. We, however, do it all the time. We tell people what they did right or wrong all over the forum be it relationships, FR, day game, night game etc. thats cause men are naturally logical beings.

Don't get me wrong, there are still women out there who are very smart and self aware, but they are in the minority.

Even the women that know pick up and know some pua, don't even know shit, example were the women that were in the chat here and the so call female gurus...

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I think everybody is misunderstanding and over analyzing the numbers stuff..

the numbers means that some women will like you, some need more info. some won't like you at all... The whole point of pick up is a numbers game, is saying not to take rejection so hard and spend time with those women that like you or are in the maybe... I have no idea what my numbers are, nor do i care, remember it only take 1 girl in a night to take home, and you forgot about all the other shit that happened, nobody sits there analyzing numbers... the numbers game is with the point of not taking rejection too hard since you will find a girl or girls to hook up..

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Yet it is still a numbers game, but as I mention skill no doubt improves your chances. Because the more you approach the more chances you will close really even with skills. Because your not going to win every hand that you are dealt it is just not possible.