Warped, you are one confusing dude, one moment I think damn this guy knows his shit, he is a PUA. Then you make a statement like this ^^^^ You post on another thread about quality men, and how women complain about the lack of them, you post on other threads about creating a great image, dress well, work out, smell nice...all stuff that is completely accurate, the better image you create the more successful you will be. Then on another thread you pin point what the typical DTF women is in a night club. I've seen a photo of you and yes you are one good looking dude, so with all the post you have made about style, posture and image. I have an image of you being a "quality man" A smooth operator. All that being said, you still see 85% as delusional?

Are you telling me WARPED! that you see pick up as just a numbers game? Are you telling me you worked that hard on creating an image of a quality man, yet you are still approaching random women, are you telling me you haven't created enough of an image to have women approach you? Are you telling me you haven't the ability to pre-screen and identify the women that are showing interest in you before you approach? To think 85% of approachable women are not attainable is to tell me you are not a true player, and tells me you are still just randomly approaching women, without getting any reads. A true pick up artist does have an incredibly high ratio, but not just because he is smooth and looks the part, but because he can identify the appropriate women. A true pick up artist takes pride in having an extremely high ratio. Just because the woman show's interest initially does not mean she is 100% DTF but that's where the game comes in. It's still up to a person to talk her panties off, but if you are working the appropriate women, it sure is a hell of a lot easier.

You mock the OP and call him delusional, but I'll tell you this much, it is his desire to become an artist rather then a pick up monkey, that will one day make him a true player.

Man. Am I tired of this old story.

Every once in a while there is a "battle of the methods". Normally it is Mystery method against "naturals".

Naturals: Mystery method users are so scary and scripted. It is weird.
Mystery method: You guys arent naturals, you are just stupid.

There, that is what the discussion is gonna sound like.

The worst thing a PUA can do is to get stuck in one method and basically swear allegiance to it. Which is what a lot of PUAs do. Defining themselves based on what method they like best. Frankly, all of the methods do the same thing. They get you through the problems you have, the barriers you have to break in order to go where you need to be. The only difference is that people have different problems and need different kind of help. Thats why we have different methods. In the end, the best thing you can do is to just stop following a method and replace it with your own version.

Telling people to change methods just because you yourself prefer another method just shows that you have a problem understanding other people and put yourself in their shoes.

Pissing all over the methods others prefer also means disrespecting their background and their own personal problems. It isnt nice.

This forum could be so awesome if people would start to see similarities instead of differences. We could all benefit from listening to people who have a different point of view, this gets you out of your little bubble and broadens your horizons. Plus the ones we learn the most from are people who disagree with us and not people who agree with everything we say.

So swallow your pride and stop this "Im right and everybody else are wrong" attitude.

Playing the "numbers game" is all about knowing your "magic number." Your magic number is the amount of women you have to approach on average before you get laid.

Could you PM the link to where you seen my picture? I wasn't aware I had my picture anywhere on any public sites. Thanks.

Also, people define "numbers game" differently. I think that when a lot of people hear me talk about it being a numbers game they have an image in their mind of a guy approaching a ton of women and just trying his luck until he gets lucky enough to find a girl willing to fuck him. Yeah, that is technically a numbers game too but not what im talking about.

Lets pretend that a guy have an 50% cold approach to fuck close ratio. That basically means that on average he has to approach 2 chicks to get laid. Make sense? Therefore his "number" is two and know he knows how many women he has to approach on average before he gets laid. He is still playing a numbers game but his number is just really small.

Playing the "numbers game" is all about knowing your "magic number." Your magic number is the amount of women you have to approach on average before you get laid.

Lets say your magic number is 5. This means that over the long run, your average meet to fuck ratio is 1/5 meaning on average you fuck 1 chick for every five you approach. When you get to the club you now just play the numbers because you know that your probably gonna have to approach around 5 chicks.

Of course, sometimes you end up fucking the first chick you approach, sometimes you have a bad night or having shitty luck and it ends up being the 10th chick you approach. The next night maybe its the 3ed chick you aprpoach and the night after that its the 5th and then the next night the 8th and then the night after that its the 2ed...so on and so forth. Lets just say that it averages out to 1/5.

No man on this planet is going to be able to walk into a club and consistently fuck 85% of the women he approaches. Thats would be better than 1/2 and its simply not going to happen. Sure, some nights you will fuck the first chick you approach, but some nights it will be the 5th, 6th, 7th, so on...

Both Tyga and warpless are right if fused together, but neither is 100% right.

If you just go for any girl who becomes attracted to you early on then yes you will get laid more and increase your numbers and if that's just what you want then read no further.

If you want to improve your pick up skills, get the hb9-10 who seems like a total bitch and turn her around to like you and want to be with you, then your pua and social skills will improve but you will waste more time and get laid less.

It mostly depends what your end goal is. To fuck a lot? to fall in love with the perfect girl for you? to just challenge yourself and become the best pua you can be? Depending on what you want, you will have to adjust your goals accordingly.

A part of me wants to improve my seduction skills, become really good at sex and experience different women so I will take some time, probably a few months and follow warpless, stelar's, skills, type of methods. I'm sure it will improve my confidence a lot, have something to back me up in case people talk shit in a social circle (I know a bit immature and egotistical but it helps dealing with haters or people that talk shit and it's a huge DHV in not only social circle but also in networking since 90% of males in NA want to get laid a lot).

Another part of me wants to be a really good conversationalist that amaze women just by speaking. I want to be able to engage women's emotions and read them well. I want to use what little information I get from their words and body to my advantage. When I go out on a date, I want it to be nothing short of amazing and when I find a girl I really care about, I want to get her hooked, know how to mind fuck her if neccessary, have great control of my emotions and never fall into beta behaviour. All this and more. You can see where I'm getting at with this. These are the reasons I choose to be a PUA.

As 60 said: Guys don’t escalate quickly because they want to make 100% sure she is attracted first. They view eye contact, touching and moving closer as something you only do if you’re sure it will work. While they were waiting around looking for indicators of interest, she already put them in the friend zone.

This is another problem I have with 60. He makes it bad to be in the friend zone. Fact is that in order to get a girlfriend or hook up, 95% of the time, you have to become the girls friend first. Source: Women everywhere.

$50 says that Chief doesn't really believe 60YOC is the best method, but they worked out some sort of deal so 60 could be in his sig.

What you just said is quite possibly the dumbest thing ever. Also, you have ONE lay... stop pretending you know anything. If you spent as much time out meeting women as you did being a KJ on here you might actually be decent.

Could please elaborate on why that is dumb?

If your goal is to fuck a woman, it easier to accomplish that if she sees you as a lover rather than a friend.

This is another problem I have with 60. He makes it bad to be in the friend zone. Fact is that in order to get a girlfriend or hook up, 95% of the time, you have to become the girls friend first. Source: Women everywhere.

$50 says that Chief doesn't really believe 60YOC is the best method, but they worked out some sort of deal so 60 could be in his sig.