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Does no one find some of these strategies a little bit rapey?

While that certainly wasn't the purpose of this "aggressive sexual" approach, it basically assumes that a woman is going to have start physically assaulting you before you get the message.

I mean learning how to get round an initial objection to you is great and looking for opportunities to up the physicality has a lot to be said for it, but this kind of game plan is a couple steps away from just sexually assaulting young women and hoping that they will eventually consent to it.

This mindlessly aggressive approach can easily go awry and lead to spewing off chips.
The equivalent of getting slapped or beat up by an AMOG
Whilst rapid kino escalation is an excellent tool in the arsenal of a PUA, being abused by a nwb will lead to a rapid busting of ones bankroll/ones face

Stu Ungar, Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan and Isildur1 have an incredible understanding of one of the most important concepts in poker

they understand three levels of perception

1) Who is opponent
2) How their opponent perceives them
and the tricky one...

3) How their opponent, thinks them-self is being perceived

Applied to PU
1) Who is HB, (what is her personality type, level of self esteem, how will she react to different techniques, what techniques will work the best)

2) How HB is going to view PuA, (PuA's attractiveness, confidence, PUtechniques, syle)

3) How does HB think PuA's perception of her is (if she cares at all you are doing well)

I like #1 and #3. Essential for approaching potentially complex or very cold HBs or sets... For regular gaming though, solid inner game makes #2 obsolete, as I myself do not care how the HB views me because she views me the way I view myself. Day game included.

Usually I go for the 3 second rule, not ultra aggressive, more focused on having fun and escalating, as I enjoy the seduction process as much as it's resolution.

HBs who I take home and fuck within the hour (aggressive approach or not) lose value to me, they're personally not my type (though that's me and I respect those who think otherwise).

But yes, club game is definitely much more direct and there should be rapid escalation and overt intentions stated. It's not a coffee shop.

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Fuck with her mind and her body will follow.

Once we get to a level of expertise, we are able to manipulate others perception of ourselves.
You are setting the tone of how you are viewed, thus you are aware of how you are being perceived.

An example would be Viktor Blom (Isildur1's) approach to overbetting pots on the river.
The first couple times he executed this move in the epic HU match vs. Brian Hastings, he was very well aware Hastings viewed this move as having a "polarized" range, (top of giving up range/bluff range, balanced with top of value range)
So once he started abusing this *perception of himself* and this particular tactical weapon, he was aware Hastings would view his range as being unbalanced towards bluffs (having too many bluiffs and not enough value)
This was a trap, he executed it using the middle of his value range and Hastings fell into it- Making calls where his middle value range was behind Viktor's

You are aware of how you are being perceived, because you are in control of how you are being perceived.

Obsolete is probably the incorrect word, but I definitely understand what you are saying.
Once you are completely comfortable in your environment, you are able to manipulate this device to your advantage

A similar idea in game world would be push/pull to create a state of confusion.

You make advances using kino escalation, the HB is aware you are escalating but is experiencing an anti-slut shield, so you retract when she doesn't reciprocate your advances.
This meta game reaches a point where she is anticipating your retraction, and tries to avoid this retraction because she really seeks approval..
This allows you to reward her eventual reciprocation with some kind of close.

Ten74 is aware of his self image, how HB is viewing the scenario and how she views him.
Allowing him to slip through #2 like Neo through the walls of the Matrix

/end geek rant.

You are right just when you talk about not caring whethere you succeed or not.
Life is not a club.
You might be fooling yourself.
You see, to some of us this is not about the sex, or the reputation, nor about number closes.
It's about ourselves, the seduction process, and beautiful woman (and our standards of beauty go beyond physical appearance)
You wanna know that those tighs you are touching have only been touched by a few, if any; you wanna know that she wants you, and not just whathever she could get that night.
We want quality, not quantity. That's the goal.
But of course before we get there we must go through direct approaches and fool's mates. It's good for calibration. But Just don't think that's the best you can get.
I'd try this out, definitely, just I don't want to get caught up in the 'I'm such a player' just because I can go to a club and do this.
Safe sarge,
Luv

Roca

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Damn dude this post got me psyched! Not about the fact of going in aggressively but how we should just go for it and approach. Sick post! And Stelar, 250 holy hell man thats crazy, hopefully i'll be that good. Im not in it to get a big tally of women, oh no. Im in it to meet women and attract. If i only get with 20 women in my life, i will be happy if the whole night i was with them, i made it perfect for them.

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Self respect is far, far more important than a momentary sexual experience