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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:31 pm 
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Okay, so this is gonna be more of a post-mortem than anything current, but I was seeing this girl for a short time and it just fell flat on its ass, and it really bothered me wondering what I got wrong. I wondered if maybe you guys could advise me on what to do differently next time.

So I moved into this place and I was putting together some furniture when I found I didn’t have the right screwdriver so I knocked on some neighbours’ doors. One door was opened by this cute blonde girl who seemed very happy to help, in fact later the same evening she knocked on my door and said maybe we could go for a bike ride some time. I would see her outside the block sometimes when I was smoking and we’d chat, so I asked her out for a drink one evening. We had a good chat about general stuff and it was good but nothing happened.

The next time she came round to mine and we had something to eat. At one point we were sitting on the couch and I leaned in and started kissing her, which she was totally fine with. She was a good kisser as well. Then I told her to climb on top of me and she said she thought I was being a bit bossy but did it anyway and then we went into my bedroom and made out for a while. Then wandered over to hers and more of the same.

Next time I saw her we went out for the afternoon and then back to hers for more of the same. We were dry humping each other so it looked well on. The time after this we were making out some more and I was rubbing my hand up the back of her top and I playfully pinged her bra-strap. She said “that’s a good way to get yourself invited for the night” so I thought it was definitely on. She took her top off and I removed her bra and then she lay back and I was licking and rubbing her nipples.

Then all of a sudden, she sat up and covered herself and said that she didn’t know me that well and she wasn’t sure she was comfortable with it. I didn’t really know what to say so I just respected her wishes and left. From that point onwards I’d see her at the bus stop and outside the building and she’d be aloof and she kind of made me feel like shit to be honest, as if I’d done something wrong. I suggested doing something a number of times, then when that didn’t work I tried ignoring her and she just ignored me back. After that I tried a couple more times and at one point I suggested that she came over and watched a movie. She said she was busy (she was always busy for some reason), so then I texted back and said “well, we could always not watch a movie if you prefer”, to which she responded angrily saying “what’s that supposed to mean?” I just kind of gave up at this point.

This was a really bullshit situation and I still feel frustrated when I think about the fact I got so close and didn’t go all the way. I also wonder what I possibly could have done wrong. She said that she’d had a previous boyfriend who toyed with her and just called her when he wanted and ignored her when he didn’t and I think she was hurt by that and she didn’t want to get hurt again. She must have liked me though because at one point she was joking about me changing my Facebook status to “in a relationship”. I didn’t say anything much about wanting a relationship myself because I was just enjoying fooling around with her, but I might have been open to it.

So what are your thoughts? Any obvious mistakes I made or anything I could have done differently?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:59 pm 
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I laughed sorry


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Damn now that's fucked up bro :(
I really have no answer to this.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:26 pm 
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Don't they call that buyer's remorse or lmr (last minute resistance)? I'm sure some experienced PUAs would have some advice for that.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:33 pm 
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Okay, so this is gonna be more of a post-mortem than anything current, but I was seeing this girl for a short time and it just fell flat on its ass, and it really bothered me wondering what I got wrong. I wondered if maybe you guys could advise me on what to do differently next time.

So I moved into this place and I was putting together some furniture when I found I didn’t have the right screwdriver so I knocked on some neighbours’ doors. One door was opened by this cute blonde girl who seemed very happy to help, in fact later the same evening she knocked on my door and said maybe we could go for a bike ride some time. I would see her outside the block sometimes when I was smoking and we’d chat, so I asked her out for a drink one evening. We had a good chat about general stuff and it was good but nothing happened.

The next time she came round to mine and we had something to eat. At one point we were sitting on the couch and I leaned in and started kissing her, which she was totally fine with. She was a good kisser as well. Then I told her to climb on top of me and she said she thought I was being a bit bossy but did it anyway and then we went into my bedroom and made out for a while. Then wandered over to hers and more of the same.

Next time I saw her we went out for the afternoon and then back to hers for more of the same. We were dry humping each other so it looked well on. The time after this we were making out some more and I was rubbing my hand up the back of her top and I playfully pinged her bra-strap. She said “that’s a good way to get yourself invited for the night” so I thought it was definitely on. She took her top off and I removed her bra and then she lay back and I was licking and rubbing her nipples.

Then all of a sudden, she sat up and covered herself and said that she didn’t know me that well and she wasn’t sure she was comfortable with it. I didn’t really know what to say so I just respected her wishes and left. From that point onwards I’d see her at the bus stop and outside the building and she’d be aloof and she kind of made me feel like shit to be honest, as if I’d done something wrong. I suggested doing something a number of times, then when that didn’t work I tried ignoring her and she just ignored me back. After that I tried a couple more times and at one point I suggested that she came over and watched a movie. She said she was busy (she was always busy for some reason), so then I texted back and said “well, we could always not watch a movie if you prefer”, to which she responded angrily saying “what’s that supposed to mean?” I just kind of gave up at this point.

This was a really bullshit situation and I still feel frustrated when I think about the fact I got so close and didn’t go all the way. I also wonder what I possibly could have done wrong. She said that she’d had a previous boyfriend who toyed with her and just called her when he wanted and ignored her when he didn’t and I think she was hurt by that and she didn’t want to get hurt again. She must have liked me though because at one point she was joking about me changing my Facebook status to “in a relationship”. I didn’t say anything much about wanting a relationship myself because I was just enjoying fooling around with her, but I might have been open to it.

So what are your thoughts? Any obvious mistakes I made or anything I could have done differently?
It's quite possible that she is trying to in a sense 'regain' the power she had once ceded to her ex. Often people will seek out relationships with others to safely (at least for them) right a wrong they experienced at the hands of another. So, for example in this case if she had made herself vulnerable to her ex and got profoundly hurt in the process, it is plausible she's seeking the inverse situation (finding a guy she can manipulate so she can regain that sense of control she had previously lost).

From what you've described it is quite clear that the relationship had a strong sexual frame and the comfort was there, despite her telling you she did not feel comfortable with her bra off. With respect to your feelings of guilt, figure out where those are coming from as nobody can make you feel guilty, those feelings come from within you and how you've processed/framed the situation. Perhaps you feel as though you moved to fast and made her feel uncomfortable, but let's call a spade a spade; she initiated you, she had no reservations slowing the sexual frame at all, that is until you removed her bra and there was the prospect of sex, not simply dry humping. There is of course the possibility of buyers remorse, where she felt seduced quickly before having any comfort established and by you simply talking to her it evokes guilty feelings within her that she may have moved too quickly and let her anti-slut defenses down prematurely. For most women, the cost incurred of seeing themselves as acting slutty will supersede their desire for sex. I dont see this as being the case in this scenario however as it looks as though you two were well beyond the comfort zone. Still, it's a possibility I suppose.

She is now giving you the cold shoulder because she knows that it'll only stir your feelings of guilt even further. In other words, she is only further goading you deeper into these bad feelings by isolating you even more. She shows no intention of rectifying things but would simply leave things status quo. Therefore, my advice to you would be to forget about her, figure out specifically where the guilt is coming from (guilt means we're remorseful from some previous action and only keeps us stuck in the past), and find a girl who is of sound mind rather than one who is into playing games.


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Yeah it's Last Minute Resistance dude.

She was obviously very into it and got flustered. She got scared of going too fast. She wanted to have sex with you but didn't want to feel like a slut.

You should have stayed. She wanted assurance she wasn't just a fuck and the fact you pussied out and left as soon as she put up a fight shows you were only after sex. You needed to just look at her, smile, tell her you understand.
I reckon if you had just kissed her on the cheek, laid next to her (not looking at her, looking up at the ceiling or something) and said 'you're right, we shouldn't be doing this', it would have been all good. Have a little chit chat, keep your arm round her, since she's in the mood the conversation/interaction will turn sexual again, she will probably kiss you again after a little while.

MAIN THING! Don't be pissed off/disappointed. Laugh at how crazy and adventurous you both are.

Once the kissing starts again, escalate slowly, if you sense any discomfort slow down. Avoid pushing her too fast so that her discomfort doesn't get to the point where she feels she should stop. Take it easy, you got all night.

Don't be surprised if she resists again, it's female insecurity. During any LMR, don't do that thing where you ask what's wrong and get into an interrogation-style WHY WON'T YOU FUCK ME kind of conversation. It's needy, it's desperate. Now you've read this, you won't have to ask what's wrong, you already know how to handle it.

And don't panic if the conversation stops, it's only awkward if you think it's awkward and she will sense this. Silence when you're both so close and horny can elevate sexual tension.

Hope this helps dude.

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That's an excellent, insightful reply Asesino, thank you very much!
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With respect to your feelings of guilt, figure out where those are coming from as nobody can make you feel guilty, those feelings come from within you and how you've processed/framed the situation.
You're absolutely right. Something to think about there.
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she had no reservations slowing the sexual frame at all
What do you mean by "slowing the sexual frame"?
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"by you simply talking to her it evokes guilty feelings within her that she may have moved too quickly and let her anti-slut defenses down prematurely
I totally buy that explanation actually, damn anti-slut defences!


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You should have stayed. She wanted assurance she wasn't just a fuck and the fact you pussied out and left as soon as she put up a fight shows you were only after sex. You needed to just look at her, smile, tell her you understand.
When you put it like that, it's clear exactly where I fucked up. I always had a feeling that this was unrecoverable after that night, and maybe this is why. She thought I just wanted to bang her, which was maybe why she got angry at any sexual suggestion later on. I don't know, maybe she felt let down that I didn't make more effort to understand. I think you're right though that I needed to recover the situation there and then rather than just leaving it alone and trying to recover it later.


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Yeah it's Last Minute Resistance dude.

She was obviously very into it and got flustered. She got scared of going too fast. She wanted to have sex with you but didn't want to feel like a slut.

You should have stayed. She wanted assurance she wasn't just a fuck and the fact you pussied out and left as soon as she put up a fight shows you were only after sex. You needed to just look at her, smile, tell her you understand.
I reckon if you had just kissed her on the cheek, laid next to her (not looking at her, looking up at the ceiling or something) and said 'you're right, we shouldn't be doing this', it would have been all good. Have a little chit chat, keep your arm round her, since she's in the mood the conversation/interaction will turn sexual again, she will probably kiss you again after a little while.

MAIN THING! Don't be pissed off/disappointed. Laugh at how crazy and adventurous you both are.

Once the kissing starts again, escalate slowly, if you sense any discomfort slow down. Avoid pushing her too fast so that her discomfort doesn't get to the point where she feels she should stop. Take it easy, you got all night.

Don't be surprised if she resists again, it's female insecurity. During any LMR, don't do that thing where you ask what's wrong and get into an interrogation-style WHY WON'T YOU FUCK ME kind of conversation. It's needy, it's desperate. Now you've read this, you won't have to ask what's wrong, you already know how to handle it.

And don't panic if the conversation stops, it's only awkward if you think it's awkward and she will sense this. Silence when you're both so close and horny can elevate sexual tension.

Hope this helps dude.

Very good post. It's funny how I found exactly myself in past in the interrogation part.

I don't know this situation is pretty hard and I've found myself quite a few times in it, when a girl after high interest in me just goes plain cold on me.

Does she live alone? If that is the case What I would do is wait a few days, come to her place and knock on the doors.

"Hey I had some business nearby and thought to come by and say hi"


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Sticksmith had a great response.

I'd also like to add that you should try to push every interaction to the end. In this case, she told you she wasn't very comfortable and you left. She didn't say "No" - ultimately, it was YOUR decision to bounce.

In reality, there are millions of variables at play in every seduction attempt. It's futile to try and analyze them all. In this case, she probably felt like a slut - especially when you bounced on her as soon as she wasn't 100% sure about sex. Imagine how that made her feel, especially when she told you about her boyfriend.

If you were potentially open to a relationship with the girl, try to salvage the situation. Call her, tell her you like her and just didn't know what to do that night - that you kinda got flustered. Tell her that you'd like to take her out, watch something romantic together and get to know each other a little; that making out might be involved if there's mutual attraction.


Also, a sidenote to anyone who's still reading. You should try to be as unreactive as possible to things women do. She told you she wasn't comfortable, which was a "temporary no" - and you reacted by leaving. Ideally, you should've told her that you want her but care about her being comfortable. A woman's actions shouldn't influence your desires - the most they can do is turn you away if there's a direct and final "NO."

I was watching this Sex in the City episode (great for understanding women) last week. A short dude (5 ft) picked up one of the characters (Samantha) - the girl tried to brush him off 2 or 3 times afterwards, being pretty rude about his height. But he still got laid with her because he was relentless and didn't give a fuck about being rejected, mocked or anything else - he just took every obstacle in stride and kept going. That's exactly how you should be - persistent and unaffected by anything until you hear "No."

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