Well, I'd just like to thank all the guys who've helped me out with my questions in the past.

Now, on to my current topic. Hb friend I've known since sophomore year, senior now, and recently I've started 2 break out of the friends zone. I gave her a freeze out junior year, mostly because she had a bf, but now were starting to hang out more.

Another step I've made is to increase my kino, and she's responded well, but I haven't gotten past touching her arms and shoulders when I say something. I'm aware that I need to progress with this though. The thing I'm unsure about is how much kino, and how quickly.

So if you read only one line of this ramble, make it this one. How do I know how much kino to use with this friend, and how do I use the kino to change my frame/ get her interested. Thanks again for all the help!

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First of all Gotchi, you're advise is just as useless as you are!!!

Andle: well there is not limit for going kino, in fact you have to go kino all the time and for as long as you can. But you need to build the sexual tension between the two of you, start playing with her hair, kiss her softly in the cheek then in her neck and see how she responds. If well then keep doing it, if not just say oh i got carried away...

This can be tricky if you were friends. If you still have that friend status, escalating the kino will probably result in a bad response from her. I've seen it and experienced it myself.

BUT if it's established that you're no longer 'just friends' (which means she must have grown attracted to you) I would continue light kino (like poking/tapping/touching hair) and start deep convo and avoid talking about her problems or boring things like a FRIEND. One topic that does this well is Sternberg's Triangle of Love (read on it). I learned it in Psych class and hits alot of sweet spots with girls' views on relationships. This helps transition from that friend area.

Basically whenever you're together, bring up something relationship-related (one i used is bringing up Kim K's pathetic marriage) and then go into the Triangle to explain what makes a complete relationship. Most girls who aren't the promiscuous party types eat this up.

I took this approach with a 9 I went to high school with when I ran into her a couple years ago. As far as changing the frame, the deep convo and kino worked great. Unfortunately she still ran back to her ex she was on/off with for 4 years.

Just keep in mind if you're still even a little in that friend zone, being too touchy could wreck it. So be cautious and take it slow.