Can studying psychopaths improve your game?



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:36 am 
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The answer is maybe.
But learning about them is definitely in one's best interests.

The study of Psychopathy is not given enough attention. Most would not be able to accurately describe a psychopath, let alone be able to identify one or understand how one operates. They are prevalent in and destructive to all societies yet even psychology students are not taught about their influence. It's really up to the individual to inform themselves.

The biggest misunderstandings are usually; what type of person could constitute a psychopath, how their behaviors appear to others and what their level of integration is amongst civilized society. I say civilized because the general consensus is that psychopaths are limited to petty criminals, violent thugs, and people with antisocial personality disorders. This is simply not true. Psychopaths have no conscience, but this does not prevent them from being extremely intelligent, successful or powerful.

They comprise 4% of the population (close to the % of gay males in the US). So depending on your lifestyle you could come into contact with at least one everyday. The degree to which they can directly impact someone's life depends on the level of interaction. They could be the person that serves you coffee or they could be a close family member or spouse.

Martha Stout, who has worked extensively with victims of psychopaths, writes:
Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools. Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless. You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your coldbloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience, that they seldom even guess at your condition.
In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world. You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences will most likely remain undiscovered.
How will you live your life? What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)? The answer will depend largely on just what your desires happen to be, because people are not all the same. Even the profoundly unscrupulous are not all the same. Some people - whether they have a conscience or not - favor the ease of inertia, while others are filled with dreams and wild ambitions. Some human beings are brilliant and talented, some are dullwitted, and most, conscience or not, are somewhere in between. There are violent people and nonviolent ones, individuals who are motivated by blood lust and those who have no such appetites. [...] Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all.

Stout also discusses the fact that psychopaths, like anyone else, are born with different basic likes and dislikes and desires, which is why some of them are doctors and presidents and others are petty thieves or rapists. “Likeable”, “Charming”, “Intelligent”, “Alert”, “Impressive”, “Confidence-inspiring,” and “A great success with the ladies”. This is how Hervey Cleckley described most of his subjects in The Mask of Sanity. It seems that, in spite of the fact that their actions prove them to be “irresponsible” and “self-destructive”, psychopaths seem to have in abundance the very traits most desired by normal persons. The smooth self-assurance acts as an almost supernatural magnet to normal people who have to read self-help books or go to counseling to be able to interact with others in an untroubled way. The psychopath, on the contrary, never has any neuroses, no self-doubts, never experiences angst, and is what “normal” people seek to be. What’s more, even if they aren’t that attractive, they are “babe magnets”.

Cleckley's seminal hypothesis is that the psychopath suffers from profound and incurable affective deficit. If he really feels anything at all, they are emotions of only the shallowest kind. He is able to do whatever he wants, based on whatever whim strikes him, because consequences that would fill the ordinary man with shame, self-loathing, and embarrassment simply do not affect the psychopath at all. What to others would be a horror or a disaster is to him merely a fleeting inconvenience. Cleckley posits that psychopathy is quite common in the community at large. His cases include examples of psychopaths who generally function normally in the community as businessmen, doctors, and even psychiatrists. Nowadays, some of the more astute researchers see criminal psychopathy - often referred to as antisocial personality disorder - as an extreme of a particular personality type. I think it is more helpful to characterize criminal psychopaths as “unsuccessful psychopaths”.


So this is how Psychopathy relates to Game. If you had literally zero fear of rejection or embarrassment when hitting on a woman, you would be incredibly productive and successful.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... Brown.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... williamson

I'm not suggesting becoming a psychopath to sleep with more women, and I'm not saying that all guys who are good with women are psychopaths. But the sad truth is that many are, and it seems mimicking their traits will get you results. Use at your own discretion. This is more so a warning to be aware of such individuals who purposefully wreak havoc and have no concerns inflicting pain and suffering onto others. They are surprisingly common and simply a different type of human. A deeper understanding will help you to clearly interpret specific situations where there has been no logical explanation as to how someone could act in a certain way.


If you cannot understand how some people can do some seriously twisted things, then congratulations you have a conscience.

If you do not have a conscience and think that you may be a psychopath, then congratulations you are arguably a more efficient human.

And no doubt a hit with the ladies.


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I think you're on to something... At the very least - all women are fucking crazy as it is, so I can't see where any psychological study wouldn't be a help.

After all, we're bound to experience any one of their 1,000,000,000 fucked-up/warped/twisted/certifiable/baffling personalities at any given time... 8)

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You can train yourself to go out a lot and care less for being embarrassed or nervous while still have the conscious not to hurt others. However, having no conscience is like having no soul. You might be more efficient in the outside world, but you can't even feel for others. You can't fall in love or feel emotion. You're barely even human.

A normal person has the potential to accomplish the same things while feeling the reward of their work. They can actually enjoy their life and be happy.

I'm sure psychologists will find a way to treat psychopaths.


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im not gunna lie... ive been with a girl, who was, by definition a psycho... and all of this seemed pretty accurate. i wonder if psychopathy is something that can be developed or if you are just born with it


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Sly: You're correct but they cannot be treated (at least at this point in time). They don't believe that there is anything wrong with themselves so they would not seek out help. Especially if they were successful, they would not think there was anything wrong because their conscience is nonexistent. Plus SPAM is so far impossible (we can't give someone a conscience). When one starts to understand exactly how much power and influence they have in society, it's easier to understand why it's not a more pressing topic and how they can get away with so much undetected.

Eagle: It's both. Psychopaths are normally born but they can also be created. This can explain some abuse victims perpetuating violence themselves later in life, and also how ordinary people can fall under the spell of the psychopath's influence and do things they would never do normally.


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If I read this correctly then just because someone is a psychopath doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person. They just have no worries, fears, or regrets. It seems like in most cases that could be a positive thing. I would love to get rid of those three things.

New goal: strive for positive psychopathy.


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If I read this correctly then just because someone is a psychopath doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person. They just have no worries, fears, or regrets. It seems like in most cases that could be a positive thing. I would love to get rid of those three things.

New goal: strive for positive psychopathy.
in one my courses, my prof mentioned a number of mental health issues and oneof them was anti-social personallity disorder. i was surprised because all the traits of an ASPD were things i found in most people. these traits are things like impulsivness, hypersexuality, decietfullness, lack of remorse...so basically psychotic personality traits. this whole time i was striving to be accpeted by bing mroe social, now as it turns out, it is the anti soical ones that are the social ones. the only reason they are called sntisocial is because they go against what society expects of us " dont lie, cheat, stteal, hurt other" but to get ahead in life without being stompped all over, it seems these are things that one would need to get use to,learn, and use themselves


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I think you're viewing women incorrectly here...

If you think women can best be analyzed by comparing them to a mentally unstable individual I think you harbor some animosity towards women.

You have to love women to get women, and I may be wrong here but this doesn't sound like a step in the right direction.

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I think you're viewing women incorrectly here...

If you think women can best be analyzed by comparing them to a mentally unstable individual I think you harbor some animosity towards women.

You have to love women to get women, and I may be wrong here but this doesn't sound like a step in the right direction.
Kid, worry about graduating high school.... LOL

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If I read this correctly then just because someone is a psychopath doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person. They just have no worries, fears, or regrets. It seems like in most cases that could be a positive thing. I would love to get rid of those three things.

New goal: strive for positive psychopathy.
Well it kinda does. You can't be a good person if you don't care about anyone else but yourself. Psychopaths by definition are 100% selfish. Most will commit minor crimes or immoral acts without even recognizing it, then there are those who take it further.

I think if a person is made into a psychopath then there should be a way to treat them. Maybe no with medicine but with hypnosis, meditation, etc. However, if you're born without a conscious then you are a threat to society.

...Have doctors been caught as psychopaths? Why would one want to be a doctor, for money, status? It certainly can't be to help others. I haven't really done any research on this but it's important to recognize one for your safety and the safety of others.


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Quite an epic topic, with an epic article.

This is deffinitely revealing of how understanding other person`s mind can improve yours.

But then again, we all have simply theorys about what the other`s are thinking, and how relevant could one`s thought be about another human being.

Perhaps we are the mistaken here.

In any case, I`d be more worryied about becoming a narcicisst after applying PU in my life, than becoming a psyco, the first one is higly probable, while the second one well, you gotta be looking for it.

If you manage to pull more info on this please share, this is improving for social relationships in general, not PUA only.


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Quite an epic topic, with an epic article.

This is deffinitely revealing of how understanding other person`s mind can improve yours.

But then again, we all have simply theorys about what the other`s are thinking, and how relevant could one`s thought be about another human being.

Perhaps we are the mistaken here.

In any case, I`d be more worryied about becoming a narcicisst after applying PU in my life, than becoming a psyco, the first one is higly probable, while the second one well, you gotta be looking for it.

If you manage to pull more info on this please share, this is improving for social relationships in general, not PUA only.
i wouldnt wnat to know what other are thinking, that woudlnt be any fun lol ... plus, narcacism is part of psychopathy


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have fun guys
thats the whole point of PUA, is it not?


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Yes. It will teach you what not to do.


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