you need to start watching this at 13:30 min mark.
he's talking about your current situation. Listen and let it soak in. A woman can never be leading the the relationship which is what's happening with you She's leading.

As a matter of fact watch the whole thing maybe it'll knock some sense into you.


***in response to OP's post below: Look I know you really want this to work but this girl is not going to have sex with you.

You've already established that you're going to tell her you love her and call her everyday and do nice things for her like a good little boy. So she doesn't need to have sex with you. She doesn't care if you getting blue balls she only cares about herself. Freezing her out isn't going to do jack just get the hell out of there before it's too late.

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Nice Video,

After watching and thinking a lot. Ive decided to boil it down to one thing.

The situation as it stands is currently like this:

I have said I love you to her
I am more open
I am the one always initiating physical contact
Texting I start

So this is what I could do, but it has a lot of impacts that can lead to negative circumstances. What do you guys think of, Freeze out (keeping in mind we text every single day, and 1 day of freeze out will lead to a lot of concern and worry from her)... A freeze out for a day or two. After the freeze out, I come back very, calm, cool, not open, not forward at all.

That would lead her to think, what happened in the time he was distant?

Will lead her to re-evaluate
Will make her feel like she is loosing me
May make her do anything to keep me?

May place doubt in her and us
May backfire, i may be clingier because she may not be affect and I will care that she didn't care
Because we have summer break coming up, may lead to break u

OPINIONS

anyone

hey dude!

I just trawled through 5 pages and have a good understanding of your position.

Here's my input:

NOTE: I laid my 'christian' gf in 4 months.

On the following assumptions
i)She hasn't even felt your d*ck
ii)Nothing other than kissing/dry humping

Okay, the reason that you aren't having sex is that she is wearing the trousers. Bluntly put, you are a pussy!

here's the plan of attack: Next time your getting intimate, take the lead. Be slightly rougher/dominant than normal. Push her into position, grab her tight, etc..

Then this is what you have to do.(Will probe work best if she has had a few drinks) Simply just take your dick out. Have her in a position that it is awkward for her to leave. Here's the catch. When you pull it out immediately start kissing her. Don't let her eyes see you dick at any point other than the initial flash when you got it out. Continue kissing her for a few minutes and then, while kissing her, take her hand and put it on your dick. Your goal is to NOT have sex with her. Show her how to give you hand. then stop! Go watch tv, don't let her ponder over what she did. act calm as if nothing happened..

Trust me - this works. You just have to man up and go for it.

regards
hero

Mate if you pull the above off you will feel the man. it will be such a good feeling.

I feel like she would touch it, scream, hit it with a bat and run

Dude!....... This is exactly what I mean. You are making excuses. You 'feel' that would happen? Who says it's gonna work out like that.

I'm sorry man but with your mentality you will get nowhere in life. Be it in your career, relationships, and big decisions. Right now I am pursuing my dream becoming an investment banker (a trader to be specific). I just had a training week with a huge multinational company. I had to stand out and hope that they saw potential in me. I liked the other people on the course but when it came down to it I had to make decisions based on what I wanted to do. WHY? Because I decided I wanted it. I didn't care what they wanted. I WANTED IT.

I'm sorry to be frank but you need to have a think of what you want? I feel you should try what I suggested. If it fails then move on. You WILL find another girl like this one. There are millions of people in the world that will be suited to you.

Just don't beat about the bush trying to get something that you don't even have the guts to pursue.

Trust me. Do what I described above and you will feel better about yourself. It's a win-win.. It works and you progress with this girl.. It fails and you have just shown you have the guts to do something with your life and take control.

DUDE.. Just do it.

Hero

Dude, I'm in the same position as you.

I just started dating this Christian girl. Now she's not overly religious, but all of her friends are Christian. She goes to Christian groups/bible studies 4 nights a week. She's a sophomore in college, and she's only had one boyfriend for a year (they were best friends forever, he asked her out 4 times, and she finally said yes).

She doesn't cuss, she doesn't smoke, she has never drank. She's just one of those goody too shoo girls. I dont even know what to do. I tried to kiss her in front of her friends and she literally pushed me away and said "they're right there!"

She's a really nice and sweet girl, but I really don't know how I'm going to crack this. I dont know how far she's gone or anything.

You'll get me going on the subject of religion.

I never realised quite how manipulative this "no sex before marriage" position can be. If she knows you're not of the same opinion as her, to go out with you and keep turning you on but not fulfilling you is pretty despicable and selfish behaviour, in my opinion.

Ok, so I read this post and... I don't get it.


She just told you that she doesn't want to have sex with a guy she doesn't love. That's it, make her love you. She just thinks you're into her for the sex.

Oh, and define your terms here:

Love(as I define it)-Feeling of mutuality between two people such that emotions felt by one person are felt by the other as well.

Do things that you both enjoy and you'll develop that mutuality over time, you'll have to learn to communicate those feelings to her and she'll feel them even stronger. Then the sex will develop quite naturally.

No need to pull your penis out spontaneously, that's probably exactly why she's not having sex with you.

Let me give a quick update.

Firstly, I havent pulled my penis out spontaneously.

She has told me she loves me now, and says it quite a fair bit.

The other day I told her that I need action for a healthy relationship, that it is impossible to contain myself when I feel so strong towards her. I want to show my love in multiple ways and not just emotionally, and physically is one. I told her that I want her to want it, and she is like, are you sad? And I replied, a lilttle bit. Then she gave in and was like, maybe its easier if I give up and just do it.

Thats not what I want beacuse I know she will regret it! I told her, if she wanted to do something right now with me I would say know because I know she is doing it just to get me to stop asking, I want her to want to do it. She never kisses me full on, and even if I look at the space in between her legs she covers it up. I literally can't touch her thigh.

The worst part is, I would never ever cheat, but yesterday this sexy girl was starring me down and I was like damn i want to fuck you NOW! Thats not me, its because she is giving me nothing. Then when I spoke to her yesterday again, she said... she is scared of change, scared of loosing her youth, and dissapointing her dad.

I got really mad and didnt reply and left

Ok, but at the same time, it's a necessary step in her maturity. And I don't know how old she is, but it seems like its time for her.

I think she needs some reassurance from you that she won't regret it, which I think you'd be happy to provide. I don't know, when I took a girl's virginity I was just like, well, I'd say it's about time. I know you're going to feel different but I'll be there and support you through it. And in a lot of ways it will make you more beautiful and more interesting both to me and other people.

I mean, if not with you, who clearly care about her so much and are so much different from all those other guys out there who just want sex, then who would it be with, how many more chances is she going to get?

Does she really want to sacrifice something special because of something so trivial?

But yeah, daddy issue is a big concern it seems. She could always hide it from the old man but she'll still feel guilty. Seriously, what does he expect of her? And is that expectation reasonable?

I'd like to know more details here. What's holding her back?

1) she just texted me I love you, should I reply, prove it? (she never texts me that randomly

This is what she said to me on facebook chat:

i thought you are amazing and good with words and i couldn't ask for someonethis good to me. Someone so unselfish that he sacrifices so much...i understand you just want me to want it to want you...your body! All of you, and i feel bad, because i want it , don't get me wrong

its hard to change what you thought was going to be (nothin for a long time because i haden't found someone) to all of a sudden reality that it is now
it is hard to explain
i have a hard time with change
adventuring
its like i am trying to hold on to my youth
haaha sounds silly really
i don't want people to see me different
me and my parents have never talked about being physical in a relationship
i don't know exactly what they expect of me
i don't want to diappoint
i know my dad would not support me sleeping in a guys bed
i think^
see it all just confuses me on what i should and shouldn't do
i don't want any chances of pregnancy i am not on birth control...theres always that possibility i guess i am just scared of all the what ifs my (friends have had unexpected prgnancies) i don't want to be the daughter who disappoints, and i am scared to change and start life
....
i dunno

Yeah, I tried the semi-rape approach with a christian girl. That got me a little ground but she kept taking it back, I'd take off the bra, she'd put it back on. I knew she wanted to but she had a lot of mental conflict.

If it's her sense of morality that's holding her back then you've got to use morality to your advantage and convince her having sex is the right choice.

Well, there's a lot of things that are beautiful about a mature woman:

1) she knows how to make a guy feel good
2) she knows what she wants
3) you can have a mature conversation with her
4) More intelligent, outgoing, confident, sophisticated.

She should accept that what she's getting is adding, not subtracting from her as a whole.

Look, you know its a difficult decision for her to make but she's got to make that choice for herself and you'll be there to support her either way. But how can she really love you if she can't feel the pain you're feeling by not being able to be with her?

You'll take all the necessary precautions, it's hard to get pregnant. People sometimes have sex for years before it happens and they are trying every night.

I also had phone sex with this one girl a couple of times before I did it to her for real. Real slow and romantic, and she really enjoyed it.

It really builds the anticipation and it does a lot if you can replace those negative expectations with positive ones.