Hey guys,

I was first exposed to the secrets of attraction and seduction when I was 16 in September 2010. In March 2011, I met a girl named Laura. To put it simply, she's amazing. But because she didn't have an eye catching sex appeal, I only took her as a friend. I should also mention that she had never been kissed and never been part of a romance.

We created a great friendship which blossomed for 10 months. Although I had no intentions with her, I believed that I had made her attracted to me without really trying. I had an attractive personality, and I would playfully tease all the girls I knew, including her. I transmitted the persona of a successful ladies man. After all, I had known and practiced the art of seduction for the last few months.
After around 10 months, I realized just how much she meant to me. I realized that compared to her, every interaction with other women seemed superficial. I could go on for so long about how I feel about her, but I'll summaries it all in three words. I love her.

After I realized this, I decided to make a move. I thought it was the moment she'd been waiting for. At last I had seen the light, and finally realized that we were perfect for each other. But to my surprise, she was very taken aback. Long story short, she communicated to me that she was unsure. I could understand that; we had been friends for 10 months. But I was very confident that my skills with women would assist me in overcoming this hurdle.

For the next one or two months we started unofficially dating. I took her on adventurous and creative dates, all the while working my magic. I was pulling her out of her comfort zone, making her laugh, implementing cocky/funny techniques, teasing her mercilessly and occasionally giving her a genuine compliment. The things that I was doing would make any woman fall for me, let alone a woman that I’m so perfectly suited to; a woman that I genuinely care about.

But strangely, she seemed to be hesitant. She would be loving every second of my company, but then as I got close she would remind me of her doubts about us. She would tell me that she’s not sure, and then kiss me. She wasn’t playing games. She isn’t the type, and I could tell that she wasn’t joking. I continued dating her, having the time of my life and supplying her with the time of hers, all the while unsure about how she felt.

I became sick of the ambiguity, so I asked her to be mine. Trust me, this wasn’t some sappy, overly emotional, unattractive plea. I won’t go into what I said, because there isn’t enough time. But believe me, it was quite smooth. But for some strange reason, she still didn’t want to be with me. She said that she did value my company, but just not in that way. She said that she didn’t “feel anything”. I find it almost impossible that she’s referring to a lack of attraction. After all, I do have quite a knowledge of how to attract women. But in addition to that, we’re just so suited to each other and so comfortable around each other. People would kill to find what we have. Everything is perfect except for this strange perception problem she has.

When she said no, I said “My diagnosis is that in the seventeen years you went without a romance, you created the false idea that romance creates a physiological stimulation.” She said, “doesn’t it?” I said, “No. It’s just about being together and having fun.” Anyway, these words didn’t convince her. I didn’t expect them to.
It’s been a week and a half since that day, and she’s made many attempts to talk with me over facebook. I’m not responding though. I think that disappearing from her life for a while may be beneficial. It will give her the chance to miss me, and see how dull it is without me by her side. I’m not sure if this is the best approach, but it’s all I’ve got for now. Another problem- the alienation plan can’t last too long because my 18th birthday party is in a week and a half and I feel that I just need to have her there for my special day.

So does anyone have any insight or helpful advice? I can’t give up on her. I’ve tried flirting with other girls, but it isn’t the same. If you’ve loved, you’ll know what I mean. Thanks for reading this, it means the world to me.

You were an easy kill. You deprived her of the pleasures of the, "He loves me, he loves me not" intrusive thinking stage. All types of romance thrive on this. Take it out and you deprive the girl of this wonderful feeling.

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I understand where you're coming from; A girl does indeed need to think that. But I thought that I did make her feel that. Throughout the course of our romance, I didn't shower her in love or anything. I would subtly compliment occasionally, and then tease her about her flaws. I even joked that I was out her league at one stage. Wouldn't this make her feel that confusion you mentioned?

I may be wrong though. Let's say that you're right, and these things I did never had her thinking, "he loves me, he loves me not." How could I give her these feelings in the future? Maybe I could leave her life for an extended period of time, and then re-enter. When I do, she may or not may think I still feel for her. Do you think that's a good approach, or do you have a better idea?

Thanks

Sounds like you've caught oneitis man, if people still use that word, I've been out the community forever!

I think you've slipped DEEP into the friend zone with her and to be honest I'm not sure how easily there is a way out. I think you need to push/pull her a lot, because it sounds like you're trying really hard the way things are at the moment.

Also, despite how in love you may be with this girl, start sarging other girls. Right now, what's the rush for her? Nothing. You've always been there, why would this change? If you bring another girl or ten into the picture then it might make her grab you while you're still available, and even if she doesn't, you have ten more girls to get with pure win/win!!!

Haha, I like your thinking. I push and pull her all the time though. I do that to every girl. And I think the problem is more than just being in the friend zone. The friend zone is normally for AFC's who show interest in a woman but fail to attract her. This isn't how it went down with me and her at all. And I don't think I can be too deep in the friend zone because I've never been over-accommodating. Our conversations normally consist of flirting and having a laugh, more so than confiding in each other and gaining emotional support. I'm not sure if these facts can be used to construct advice. I guess I'm just venting . But I definitely agree that getting with other girls is beneficial. I will do that. I may not get 10 going at one time, but I'm sure another one or two is manageable :L.

No. You need to know three things about seduction, courtship, or the game. One, it's sexual. Two, it's emotional. Three, it's motivational. Here is the scientific journal for this explanation. http://helenfisher.com/downloads/articles/15npolve.pdf

Direct approaches in pick up address the sexual side. Indirect approaches address the emotional side. A combination of both direct and indirect approaches address the motivational side.

Men are more motivated by sex. Women are more motivated by love. Diamonds, Rolex watches, BMWs, and Lamborghinis are wanted by many and sell for a reason. You'll have to work hard to get them. Not everyone can get them.

If you have played the game Diablo, you'll get excited killing orcs the first few times. But after killing a dozen or so, the game becomes boring. The most memorable part of the game is the final and hardest battle; not the easy kills.

Scientifically, it is the women who hunt men while men hunt animals for food, here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11146304. This is genetic due to tens of thousands of years of evolution. Sure, someone will argue here the social aspect of being alpha but man as the TOP social animal only evolved fast enough in the last few thousand years. This is largely through memes rather than genes. Memes made humans superior as social creatures through the invention of the alphabet and writing, and then the printing press.

At any rate, when you did this:
You did the chasing. It's a woman's job, genetically speaking, to hunt men for love. On the other hand, it is the man's job, genetically speaking, to be baited by women through sex.
No. You have to be sexual and direct to perform your genetic role as a man. On the other hand, you need to play hard to get and indirect to make the girl perform her duties, genetically speaking, as a woman.

Men usually fail in the "game" because we chase the emotions first rather than the sex.

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you are extremely needy, you have oneitis,

go talk to 30 girls a day, tell each girl you know this is random, but you think she is cute, and you had to come meet her, introduce yourself (full name) then talk to her for 2-5 minutes about anything, then tell her you want to take her for coffee next week, has she ever been to xplace for coffee?, the coffee there is really good (let her talk and respond), oh well I have to take you, then hand her your phone, tell her to put her number in, then give her a missed call to make sure it is a real number, if she asks why just say, giving you a missed call so you have my number

do this until you have 100 phone numbers or more, follow up on every single phone number you get, text them the same day you get the number and have a conversation so you can specifically set the dates and times of your dates, go out on the dates, try to have sex with the girls you go on dates with, don't worry if you get to or not, just always try, if things go shitty, forget her, and just keep getting new numbers and new dates, eventually you will figure this out

I am sorry to tell you, but Laura is not interested in you, she wants to be your friend because you two have spent so much time together, your only chances of sleeping with her, are to get laid with 10 different girls, then come back and try to get Laura after, once you have done this, you will understand what you need to do

she only sees you as a friend, nothing you can do or say at this point besides not being needy to change that, and if you were not needy for her, you just simply wouldn't be focused on her, or be ''in love'', and would not even be making this post trying to get her

so GOOD LUCK, go hit on other women, give that a try, after you have 100 phone numbers, come back and give us an update

Opening up your options is always a great idea, you'd never invest all your money in a single stock because even the safest looking company can go horribly wrong, and girls are no different. Hedge your bets, and more than likely, the girl you really want will respond in a way you will appreciate. Jealousy is so powerful in female psychology.

Wait. Hellhound, you quoted me saying "Do you think this is a good approach? Or do you have a better idea?" (referring to the approach of leaving her life for a while). You started the reply to that with "No." Are you suggesting that I should stay in contact with her? I didn't think it would be good to stick around as a friend any longer :S.

You have to be sexual and direct to perform your genetic role as a man.

• 1. Keep the proximity but build your testosterone and adrenaline levels up before you go near her. Your higher levels of sexual hormones will make her unconsciously horny. Proximity triggers sex. Sex triggers love. This is according to several prairie vole experiments. Scientists say that it is HIGHLY likely that humans behave the same way through the secretions of the immune system after a hard workout and through norephinephrine and possibly human pheromones.
  
  2. Wear red shirts, red jackets and anything red when you're around her. If you want to know why, read my explanation here: gaming-a-shy-girl-vt130815.html Red shoots up your sexual attractiveness by at least 33%.
  
  3. Control your smile. This will shoot up your sexual attractiveness some more.
  
  4. Shout at her for something annoying she did. You'll get the dopamine effect. The dopamine effect will multiply your sexual attractiveness by 50% up to as much as 125%. However, ease the tension (this is very important) afterwards.
  
  5. Be more generous with your sexual innuendos. If you are not doing any sexual innuendos, do them NOW.
  
  6. Kino escalate to her errogenous zones. Rub your elbow at the side of her breast, whisper something in her ear while your lips slightly touches her earlobes, blow your warm breaths into her ear, touch her nape, touch her back just above her ass, and so on.
  
  7. Study last minute resistance routines well.
  
  8. Make out and fuck her brains out. Oh, learn how to identify a woman's orgasm and learn how to give her at least 8 orgasms in one fuck routine. The oxytocin release will make her fall in LOVE with you.

Orgasms, or the potential to have orgasms, LEAD to love. It's evolution.

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There's some very good tips there, Hellhound. Thanks . Just out of curiosity, do you think that I should retain this proximity AND snag other girls, similar to the advice of the other guys? Cheers.

You should sarge other girls. It will increase your sexual attractiveness some more. Plus, you'll give your woman something to intrusively think and chase about. Give her the gift of an emotional roller coaster ride so you win her heart. It's the same thing as giving her pussy the gift of a quality bang; women fall in love faster if you can fuck their brains out.

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Yeah, that sounds good. I'm starting to get my game plan together; using some advice from all the comments . I guess I just have one more idea to put out there. You said that proximity equals sex. I agree. But do you think that going away for a while (maybe a few weeks) and THEN coming back and initiating that proximity would be more effective? I would still be able to follow your advice, but on top of that she might miss me.

come back update us in a month or two on if you have managed to sleep with Laura, then tell us how many other girls you have managed to sleep with, or for that matter asked out

You have two options.

OPTION 1
The fastest way to do this, at least in my place, is to go to a sauna parlor and fuck 10 girls. If you have great stamina and high testosterone levels, you'll be able to do this in 1 to 2 days. Don't just fuck for the sake of cumming. Go for the quality bang. You'll only understand what pumpington meant once you have done this. No words can explain the great changes in your personality after you have fucked so many girls.

OPTION 2
If you don't have any serious medical condition or if you're physically fit enough, go High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) on strength (you'll need gym facilities for this for the heavy weights) and cardio (your local park or rugby stadium will do). Alternating strength training with cardio training every other day for two weeks at least can lead to some result. It's HIIT; not just pumping weights and running like crazy. There's a big difference. Find YouTube videos of a doctor or a sports medicine PhD guy doing HIIT. Stay away from the HIIT videos of the guy who do fried chickens for a living.

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