| HELP ME GUYS i've been going out a lot and sice i read stelars posts i became interested in the ultra direct/sexual/agressive approach. You see that in my first approaches i have still a little more of my personal style mixed in but the last ones are raw stelar. i estimate i did 30 of these aproaches and i'm verry disapointed with the results. I'm here on this forum to learn and i write books of reports in order to get help from you!! So far i've put quite some effort in the approach, not resulting in better outcome!!! So please please give me feadback so i can close the chapter or redefign my approach!!!!!! Since i game i have improved bigtime!! but i never had a SNL even once!!! Please help me out. Even if you'd recomment do go a entire different direction, but it all on the table. I want to break SNL down with you.
Oh yeh...they are from my journey, so if i mention things you dont understand i'ts because i cut away the bul.
24-02-12
CASE 1 (Stellar style)
She was my type, blode, good size, sparkly eyes HB8 i say. I open her verry calm with i have three questions for you. First one (little pause and look her in the eyes) Who are you!? We exchange names. Second one (little pause and look her in the eyes). Just out of curiosity ... Are u single? Yes! she answers. Ok third one but i'm just curious don't think bad of me ... No i won't. Are you a good kisser?... (at this point i spill some of my beer and it drips into the pocket where my phone is). She's laughing and says to her GF you have to talk to him ... he's hilarios. Do the 3 question thing on her. (i'm like fuck no) But me and her GF started talking. She's a little slut her gf tells me now. I'm like yeah but she's my type. HB8 is now talking to a guy and is trying to kiss him. But every second of her conversation with him shes looking me in the eyes. (definately trying to make me jealous). She kissed the guy so i kissed her gf (or maybe she kissed me). As the conversation progressed HB8 was now looking me in the eyes minutes long. I decided to eject.
20 min later i spot my buddy talking to HB8. I enter conversation and don't give her a lot of attention. She's asking me questions now but i'm not responding. After i gave a gum to my friend and her gf i started talking to her. Hey listen! i'm going to be honest to you because i think we are two adults. She confirms and i say. I want you i every position tonight. She grabbs her gf and say she needed a smoke. With a smily face she tells me; "we're going to talk a little more after my sigaret". So there we were; Should i wait for her to come back?, make fun?, go after her?... we decided to make fun, but after a while when she didn't came back we wanted to eject this club because we pretty much talked/k-closed/#closed the entire club. So we went out!... And just when we were at the antrance she walks in. I give her my hand but she keeps walking. Her gf stops next to me and looks at her like; WTF you wanted to fuck him right!!! The exchange of looks between the three of us goes on for a minute or so. I felt this was a dead end, she had changed her mind suddely. and then i ejected.
16-03-12
I tried to implement scanning into my game. So this girl seem like SNL material. She is sexy as hell. I mean extremely. She shows a little skin is verry calm and staning on the side of the dancefloor. I couldn't see her talking to people and she's not dancing. I approuch stellar style. I say he! (look in the eye)i'm going to be verry honest! Go home with me. She sais no (bad reaction according to stellar). I say i'm not going to appologize for what i wan't but i't might come off a little blunt. She looks me in the eyes to look for cracks. 30 seconds of deep staring. I ask what she hoped to see in my eyes. Her sesponse is little. I tell i have a theory. Whern a girl looks into my eyes she wants to see if i'm a total asshole and if she sees that i am she'll like me. She looks surprised. I tell her again i might be blunt but i dont appologize so Im going to give you 5 minutes. 30 minutes later i see her sitting. I was confident she was a ONS girl. I get her up and put her in front of me. i say people are leaving we should go. I'm going to my place, she tells me. I say let's go. this goes on for a while. I thought chances were 50/50 here. But now i fuck up my dominant frame. She says she'd disapoint her bf if she'd go with me. I should have said. Thats your busines. But i say look he doesn't have to know about this. OMG what did i say i thought and she leaves ... but anyway practice practice practice.
22-03-12
Phase three; very direct/sexual right away.
I scanned for DTF women. Couldn't see any, but there were some IOI's going on. So i went on them. I did 5 or six of these (stellar) approaches. I'm going to describe the one that resultes in a kiss. But the last two went by far best because i felt what is said, and made it my own. Only thing is they said no, but with a verrrrry happy face. and i left saying glad you're honest (oh yeh one had a BF)
K-Close + MOST SOLID #close so far
She is blonde, same height as me, good body. A solid HB7+.
It was my 3rd ultra direct approach. I was talking to my buddy and i now played the diddy tape in my head while looking to the DJ (looking up). My bl is good and i waited until she started to look at the dj as well. (this means she is definately noticing me). I walk to her and open her from the front. Like all the girls who saw diddy approach she resisted my approach. But i turned into a more sincere face and the words; "i wan't to be honest with you" seem to be magical all the time. I say. Youre going home with me tonight. She says no thank you but with a clear smile (the last 3 approaches all went this way, verry positive facial exprecion but with a no, i probably could've pushed them all as far as this one). i'm glad you are honest and ik look her in the eye 10 seconds (verry indifferent), i say i have only 2 questions.
First the name, handshake, turn around, hand on my shoulder, start to dance and i quickly bike her neck. I look at her again and i am verry indifferent like i do this all the fucking time. We start to dance a little and again i ask if she's a good kisser. She tells me she is. Shall i examn i say asif it is nothing. She gave no clear kiss me signs, like my first approach but this time i just went for it. And yeh! she was a verry good kisser. I break the kiss and i drag her to the bench behind us. We sit down and i touch her body while making out. We talk again, make out again. She asks me how many drinks i had. I tell her i had 3 diet cokes but it could be 4. I ask her why she doen't believe i'm sober. Well your going for what you want like ther's no tomorrow. I tell her thats just who i am. I start to talk about where she sleeps etc. And we make out again now touching her bare nipples and putting my hands under her shirt. I just bluntly grab my phone we exchange numbers. we talk/dance/make out a little more and i say i'll call her later that night, i have too look for my friends. We make out and i break at the climax looking her in the eye while walking away.
She texted me 20 minutes later she was outside and had to go. We were already eating somewhere and i told her to come. We kissed goodbeye and called her this morning to arange a date.
last (stelar approach)
I noticed her walking around quite a bit the entire night. She's hot. Solid 8+
It was the end of the night and we were at the wardrobe. I got my jacket and approach her out of the blue. Huge bitch sheeld went up. and she looked verry angry and pushed me away. I put on a siscere face and say "i just want to be honest with you". These words seem magical because she became verry friendly out of a sudden. she came closer and i say are you sure i can be honest to you. She tells me; "sure go ahaid" I now have my hands on her lower back (i thought wat the fuck, 4 seconds ago she had this skyscraper high bitchsheeld and now we are almost nose to nose). I go to her ear and tell her (i really ment this). You have the most sexy ass and i want you tonight in every position(my voice sounded horny because she made me). I look at her back (i realised i didn't look her in the eyes while telling it) and she geve me a positive smile. No thank you she tells me. I say; " im glad you are honest to me". We split up and she's gigling with her gf 10m away from me.
30-03-12
Since the lay i had this week i noticed i became a little impatient and wanted to go for all or nothing. No bullshit! I put my arrows on not taking the nighttrain back and sleeping with a girl. My mind got the stellar chapter from the shelve and i took action.
First approach
She was a solid 9, blonde, good size, cute face and the hottest girl i could see. Oh yeah she was a bitch! and i love them. I saw her doing the loser gesture to guys in the club, so when she came by i, out of the blue, losered her back. She was a little confused but had her pride and walked on. Later i had to go to the toilet and i walked very close in front of her ignoring her. I checked for IOI's when i was out of sight and she was touching her hair. I come back from the toilet and approach. I want to be very honest to you! she comes closer and my hands are on her lower back. I look at her and say; "Can i be honest to you". Yes she replies. I go to her ear and tell her she is the hottest girl in the club and tonight i want to sleep with her. I looked back and she had an ear to ear smile on her face. No thank you, i have a boyfriend she tells me. I dont want your boyfriend, i want you. (i put this one very well, with confidence and i meant what i said) the interaction goes on for 20 seconds or so and 3 guys now drag her away from me. I wanted to leave but i decided to hold my frame. After 15 sec she grabes my arm and wants to talk more to me while these guys are still talking in her ear. What she said from here i'm not sure. Some more boyfriend stuff. I hold my frame and leave saying well i'm glad you are honest have a good night and we excange smiles of deep connection.
I do one more similar approach before we change venue, and again the same reaction. This time i asked the boyfriends name and she gave it. We now enter the other venue and i do another one. Again exact same reaction but she refered me to her girlfriend who was single she told me. I hate it when people tell me who to approach.
Fourth approach
So i'm now talking to a girl that is a friend of a friend blablabla. I tell her during normal convo that i have difficulty looking in the distance (myopic) and she has to help me look for the hottest girl in the club. She first pointed at herself but finaly made a good choise for me. Because we were both looking at the girl and pointing at her she came closer to me. When i though it was a good moment i approached. I want to be honest to you. My hands on her lower back and her hands are holding me.(she seemed very receptive) She let me come very close to her and i tell her she is the hottest girl in the bar and i want her in every position. She says no thank you i have a boyfriend but again with the biggest possible nice smile. I hold my frame and tell her i want her not the BF. Same as before i leave saying; "i'm glad you are honest have a good night and we excange smiles". I asked my girl who picked her out how i did? She told me she was deeply impressed and she was so sorry she was not the hottest girl in the club and had a boyfriend. (didn't know what i said but saw my BL/eyecontact/the girl leaning in to me a lot)
Fifth approach
She walks by and i make her stop physically. She wasn't the hottest girl around and my mother told me not to lie. So i put thigs a little different but with the same concept. She replies i'll think about it and walks on (not really impressed). I tell her to come back to this exact place in 5 minutes but didn't see her again that night
Sixth approach
We were on the street and this amazingly hot 10 walks by. My fucing god! Goooo i thought while staning in front of my buddy's. I open; "i want to be verry honest to you" and i come closer. "First, you are serously the hottest girl i've seen at this and second, i want to sleep with you tonight". This is probably the third type of a reaction i got. No thank you and she started to giggle mixed up with laughter and shock. Like she had difficulty believing it but was flattered. During the laughter she leaned to the front a lot leaning into my chest. I hold her to me a bit and I hold my frame strong. I show her i mean it. When i let her go i noticed she didn't wouldn't go away. I now transition to my 3 quenstion thing. We exchange names etc and again when i would let her physically go she didn't leave. We talked for 8 minutes total and we excanged numbers. I tell her i'll call her later that night. However she didn't took it and when i saw her again on the streets she was alone and surrounded by 8-10 afc dudes hoping to get some. I break tru all of them and start talking to her right in her face. I ignore the guys and we talk about how the night was blablabla. She hasn't asked me one question though and when i mention i was going to call her tomorrow she became like no thank you blablabla. So this one is dead to me.
I dont know how many approaches i did before we left i'd say 6 more or so. All verry similar but with 1 minor difference. I started not to believe in the approach anymore. However i remained stong and tried to be positive.
Last approach
She was again the hottest in this bar and dancing on the stage (bad postion) But i thought what the fuck why not and move onto the stage. She helps me get up and i start again. "I want to be honest to you!" Hands on her lower back and she had the striotype boyfriend reaction. I leave her in a good vibe (flatered/impressed) and i now see her telling it to her gf's (like all of them did) However she was touching her hair and face like a maniac. She folowed me a bit in the corner of her eye i believe and she was touching her hair suddenly, like a DTF² girl. So after 10 minutes i enter again. Again boyfriend and she now grabs her phone and i thought she wanted to show the boyfriend. I cover it with my hands and tell her i believe her. The convo moves on for 40 sec and i hold my frame strong. Since i felt this wasn't going to work i asked her. Look i clearly noticed you like me what do you think of what i asked you. She didn't really understand what i was going in to and i left.
Conclusion
Guys stacking these interactions on top of eachother i have no real confidence in the ultra direct/sexual approach. I wanted to get this down sooo bad and i realy wanted to believe in it. I'm on the forum to learn and would be verry disapointed if i wasted time leaning something that doesn't work. So please give me feedback!!!
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