Preface: I have never really thought of myself as an Average Frustrated Chump (AFC) but I guess I am depending on one's definition. I remember exchanging love notes with girls back in 3rd grade and kissing girls in 4th grade. In high school I usually had a steady girlfriend as well as other intimate encounters.

I am introverted and quiet which has not been so good when it comes to getting the ladies. Fortunately, I am reasonably good looking, have a good sense of humor, am a good listener, and am naturally funny. Even though I am quiet I always knew how to flirt and my communication has improved much over the years.

I didn't actually lose my virginity until I was in college.

So, I was never the "nice guy" standing with flowers out in the rain while the "bad boy" was banging the hottie inside. But, I haven't always been assertive and strong either. But, I have improved a lot.

How I Got into the "Game":

I don’t really remember how I became aware of the seduction community or of guys referring to themselves as pick up artists. I suppose I was searching the internet for information on how to pick up and seduce woman like any other typical horny guy. Or, perhaps it was when I was studying NLP or romance or relationships. Regardless of how I found the community I was definitely intrigued.

I remember reading some material by C. R. James. I also remember buying and reading a book called Make Every Girl Want You. In addition, I bought and read The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene. All of this material was interesting but the best material was yet to come.

Perhaps I was wondering how win my ex-girlfriend back when I came upon some seduction websites. I began to learn about this underground community. It’s possible that Ross Jeffries is one of the first PUAs I learned from as well as David DeAngelo and his cocky/funny concepts. I began to learn about simple things like inner and outer game. I learned a little about approaches and openers. I soon found out that a book called The Game existed. I didn’t rush out and buy it immediately but I kept seeing it referenced so I decided I needed to read it as part of my education. I found it interesting that this book by Neil Strauss resembled the Bible. I loved The Game.

Shortly after reading The Game and learning this other new material I got back together with my girlfriend.

I was talking to her on the phone one evening and just for the fun of it I used Ross Jeffries’ Discovery Channel Pattern. I talked about roller coasters involving arousal, excitement, and yet a feeling of safety. She said, "It sounds like sex." I thought, "Wow, it worked." She didn't have an orgasm on the other end of the phone line but it was still funny to see that it had a reaction.

I also tried the incredible connection pattern and asked her if she had ever really been captivated by someone's voice. She reacted to this pattern somewhat and said, "Some people say I have an interesting voice and I think it would be fun to be on the radio." So, nothing major but still it got her thinking and it was better than boring conversation so that's good.

I became much less needy and was able to demonstrate that I was a sexual being and not apologize about it.

She said she loved me for the first time after we got back together and I was a different man to some extent I think.

I also used openers and funny routines with other females just for fun. I asked a cocktail waitress, "Are you as nice on the inside as you are on the outside?" She said, "No!" I told her I liked her hair because it was long and very attractive. Nothing major happened but it was something I wouldn't have done in the past and she kept smiling every time she passed our table the rest of the night.

Well, more stories later.

Age: 45 (yes, I'm an older dude)

Location: Midwest - living in a college town

Studying Pick Up: since about 2007

Pick up methods I like: Mystery Method is a classic, Ross Jeffries' stuff is classic too, I think many PUAs have much to offer

Hobbies: Martial Arts

Goals: Wealth, Health, Wisdom, Happiness

Thanks for welcoming me.

Frankie

Hey Frankie.

I'm new to the forum as well, lewarned the game many years ago... but have now been in the game (again) for 20 months since the divorce... Also 45.

Welcome,

Rodeo.

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

DeAngelo is good, I don like that other material you mentioned at all.


Try mixing in internet game , with your social circle and nightgame and daygame as well.

Keep reading and studying and you should do fine. Your demographics are going to be different then a 25 year old, so your focus should be different (more internet, less bar/club scene) but you can still do well.

Good luck