Hey guys decided to start a journal. Maybe me and maybe others will learn from it something (probably what not to do lol). Anyway this night was fun but it could have ended better (No k-close, no f-close, just one #close).


First started playing in the dance floor:


I ask girls name, then I say nice to meet you and I give her a hand to shake, then I do the spin and put her arm on my neck. (Or if we make an eye contact I just grab her hand and do the spin)

I have had some very good make outs using this and without any talking. But dunno what was wrong this time. It didn't worked at all. Approached maybe 20 or 30 chicks (some chicks 2 or 3 times, I have bad memory. Dunno why, I don't drink at all, only water!)

Anyway most of them just ran away, or her friends cock blocked me.

The club was going to close soon so then I remembered that thing about DTF chicks. Approached maybe 3 or 5, we talked a bit and then I told them that club is closing I am going home, are you coming with me, the anwser was no...

Not sure what I was doing wrong, or maybe they were not DFT, but I am pretty sure they were.


Went to other club, no luck either:


Just number closed one chick. I asked her name and she was like hey i remember you and i was like shit who the fuck is she lol.

Appearantly we danced toghether in other club 2 months ago, I was like shit you have good memory lol. And then we started to dance close to each other, tried to kiss her but she leant back. She said she doesn't want to kiss, she wants only to dance and told me to go find someone else. But I was too tired and there was no chicks that I didn't approached before so decided to stay with her and dance.

So at the end I said that it was fun dancing with you bla bla bla, she gave me her # then I stayed for a few minutes and we talked about what she is studying etc.

It was wierd why she likes to dance (I mean dancing very close to each other) but she doesn't like to kiss? WTF!?




Anyway advices and opinions are welcome. And any ideas on how should I turn that # close to day 2?

Thanks in advance!

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First started playing in the dance floor:

Don't do this please kind of weak, they will feel tricked... As i said is not too effective..I think is weak That is stelar system, forget about that is not for newbies, he is in Europe, and in my opinion it works better in 24+ crowd. Is to high risk for someone starting game. Unlike his claim very few girls are dtf, I believe warped mindless has a post on dtf, or women looking for sex, look for it for a better idea, i also commented on it.

Forget numbers in a club is a waste of time, unless she is really invested in you, and is on. Your timing was off, and she was not aroused and invested enough. Hope it helps you are doing ok, you will get there, while dancing you need to turn the woman on, to the points she is the one that wants to kiss you... You are to outcome dependent, you need to work on being not outcome dependent.

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Some of them like it...but most of them don't so yeah you are right I need to stop doing this. But the thing is I don't know any other way how to start dancing with a target. I mean if you go to a taget/set and just join them dancing near them...it is wierd and they start laughing. Any tips on that?


I don't think I am newbie, maybe you can say that I am newbie by the results (which are not that good) but I am gaming for fucking 7 months now. However I made some improvements. I don't need to drink 4 litres of beer and wait for an hour to approach a chick anymore. So I have quit drinking and after a warmup my AA is gone. Big thanks for community for helping me achieve that!

But anyway you are right stelar method is not for me, it was not the first time I tried it...

By being not outcome depended you mean I should not care about the results?

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There is ton of info there, just approach 35-45 degree angle do not talk and dance, do not take to long to approach, 3 second rule, as you dance little by little escalate to arousal, then make out...

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I have good days and bad days at clubs. I don't know if it's attitude or the way I dress or the way I smell or what. lol

I definately have more luck when I associate with other guys before women. That's the only connection I can make.

Hey mate, great to see you in field. I read most of your post but I find that when I read a guys journal i'm seeing it through the writers eyes so I thought i'd give you a perspective from an observer seeing as I was there. i'll shoot you a few positives and negatives.

Positives

You have great energy, it looks like you really want to be in the clubs and you are out for a great time, you constantly opened sets. Sometimes people could say that if you look like your trying to pick up women it makes you look needy, I didn't pick that up, all i'd say is space your opens. You opened, keno'd very quickly and they left and within 3 secs you opened another, downside with that is in a room of 20 women, you'll have killed the room in almost 2 minutes.

When I was on the dance floor about 1am with a few friends shooting the breeze I scouted the room, I looked to see which girl would be the best to be approached and what not and I thought it would be a great target for a PU and just as I thought that you approached the chick which was great, I smiled because it's something a few years back I would have done when entering a dance floor. You had great movements with that girl and you entered keno immediately, like you read a bit of how to be natural and you thought you'd go with it. Thing with that type of approach is it only works about 55% of the time and in that case for you it didn't work, but don't worry it made me smile.

The fact you drink water is very cool, its original and not many others in the Port are doing that so thats a positive, just when you have water in a club drink it in half pints... creates a sort of illusion. I looked over and I could tell straight away you where on water, there's 15 different reasons why you're on water but the one thing about bars is the mystery of what everyones drinking. Also if you're drinking half pints you'll go to the bar more where the majority of sets hang out away from loud music.

Negatives.

I've seen you out 3 times now and every time you've been wearing the same clothes. When you've seen me i've had different colour shirts, belt buckles, shoes and jeans/trousers because I hate being seen in the same thing night after night. It's a great look but alternate your going out gear. You mentioned a girl you'd opened 2 months ago noticed you and you where surprised... it's because you where possibly wearing the same thing. Women will pick up on what you're wearing just like we pick it up. If I saw one of my girl friends wearing the same dress twice in one week i'd take her aside, her friends would too, heck even her parents would... it's a no go in some peoples eyes.

You have a really cool friend in Dan, he's a really cool guy and you should use him in PU, get him involved. Obviously not use him as a pawn to just throw away but get him involved, it makes it more fun and you can bounce off each other. You guys have great chemistry and you could do special things. Most women never go out alone and neither to guys these days so use your friend to split up the sets, it makes it easier and you don't have to remember your dealing with multiple people.

Tone down the spinning of the girls, it's a great move and you can use it, but not in the first few secs of a set, they'll get creeped out like the guy above said. I watched you and you did it nearly all the time. It can be seen as your signature if you like but only pull it out when you need it. A great man once said never show all your cards, play strategical. Think of PU like a game of chess, eventually you want to capture the queen.

In all I think you're doing great and you're going to be great next season aka freshers and what not when the new cattle come into town, I know I thrive in those months. Keep tweaking your stuff and whatever problems you have. It's great you have this journal and i'll continue to read and comment and hopefully next time I see you out I can show you one of my approaches. Even if I bomb in front of you it doesn't matter, it's a great thing to watch other people do their stuff.
I feel you helped me on Wednesday because I got to see another PU work a few methods I haven't seen in years but you need to update a few of them, it's only a few little things.

Hope to see you out again soon and hope my feedback has helped.

Played on the dance floor again...

Since I have used that trick (doing a spin and puting her hand around my neck) for a long fucking time it was hard not to use it. At least I didn't used it in the beginning.

Anyway, danced with maybe 5-7 girls. I was ejecting if the target wouldn't dance with me after a few songs.

I aproached one girl which friend was dancing with other dude. There was no other way to dance with her so I had to tap her shoulder, asked name, did the spin (but i didn't put her hand on my neck lol) and we started to dance.

She was puting my hands on her boobs, we made out a lot, she was even grabbing my cock through my jeans (that was something new lol). We ended up on the bench, making out, kissing her neck, tits.

The club closes. I say that I am getting a taxi, do you want to go with me? She anwsers "No". I am shocked like WTF!?



It is not the first time like this. What the hell I am doing wrong


P.S is there any nice way to say "stop biting my fucking neck"? I am not saying that I don't like it but it just got ridicilious...scars don't look nice at all, and it still fucking hurts!

Your lack of calibration, she does not know you, you could be a serial killer, also "you want to take a taxi" you got a lead dude, after the dance you should have walked her and her friends to the car, do some bluff(this is the time to do regular game), get her number etc... Sometimes is better to take her to her car, the park and the beach from the club, the taxi stuff was weak. Also you need to calibrate sometimes is good to save "sex" for the next encounter. You need to feel the situation out dude, again lack of calibration, and you going to fast, she needs some type of comfort.

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You need to qualify... throw in qualification looks in you conversation... like ask her if she likes vodka... she'll say yeah and then later say you've got vodka back at your place... that's an example. Newport women are big giant sluts and a kiss in the club will be pretty much what they're looking for hence why I hardly F close in newport.

I like the sound of your improved dance floor game and i look forward to seeing it... You can still spin them because its part of you. Dance floor game is a massive area hardly explored by big time PUA's so its hard to call it but you'll get there.

Next time you go out try hanging in the smoking area where there's loads of seats, you'll find you'll be able to close alot more in that place.

Hope i've helped mate.

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