People have tried to help - you just don't like the help you, yourself asked for... but we're the problem?

Ironic much?

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

You've got to snap out of this slump brother. Quit sulking, pick yourself, and start feeling happy. Focus on yourself right now. Get active and start socializing. You're not going to have a successful relationship with a woman until you can learn to love yourself. There are millions of resources out there for grasping and obtaining happiness, check them out.

Since you asked, I'll include the library story. But before you read it, know that it would not have been possible had I not had my shit together. I was confident and charismatic. I didn't NEED the attention of any woman.

I had to study for an Organic Chemistry final two semesters ago and decided to go to the University's library. I normally don't study in the library because I get easily distracted by mindless chatter. I go to a pretty big school and it was finals so the library was pretty busy. As I was looking for a seat, I saw this beautiful girl studying Genetics with an empty seat across from her. I had already taken Genetics and knew that if I stumbled on an opener, that I could use that. Without any hesitation, I took the seat across from her at the table. She glanced up at me and I held eye contact with her and smiled. She smiled and then looked down. Initiate game.

I was pretty big into this humor website and had saved a bunch of funny memes and photos on my phone for use during text game. In that folder of photos was a meme perfect for the situation. I tried to find the link to it but can't so I'll just describe it. It had a top and a bottom. The top half of the photo said "awkward eye contact with stranger" and had a meme with a suspicious face under it. The bottom half of the photo said "awkward eye contact with a [b]cute[/b] stranger" and had below it a meme smiling excitedly. I kept the photo on my screen and then set my phone in front of her on her notes. She looked at it and laughed out loud and I got all serious-faced and shushed her. Then smiled.

I took my phone back. She started to say something and I cut her off by rapidly putting my finger to my lips. I tore out a blank piece of notebook paper and wrote:

"I'm hiding right now. Don't give up my position by drawing attention to us!"

There was some bullshit banter back and forth. I gave her a nickname and we kept exchanging the note back and forth. Every time we'd pass it back, we'd make eye contact and I'd touch her hand as retrieving it. It went on for 10 or so minutes and I set up a day 2 by writing:

"I'm going to starbucks at (location) at 7:12. Come with."

She replied with:

"Will you tell me why you're hiding?"
Me: "Maybe"

Instead of handing me back the note, she handed me her phone. I dialed my number and then saved her number in my phone. Stood up, pushed my chair in, hugged her goodbye, and then left. She showed up at starbucks at 7:30. I busted her for being late. I barely passed the class.

This is good stuffs. What do u mean by busted her for being late?

And, I have tried that before. I would go to the library to pick up chicks, but it happens so that most of them are with their boyfriends or other friends. So, one time, there was this girl who I thought was single, turned out she has a bf.

Also, your game worked, because, u had memes on your phones. But, what to do if u don't have memes? How to start a convo with a girl who is studying at a library, and others are studying too?

Expand your social circle. Join organizations, a fraternity is a good way.

yah its really easy to say all taht. I signed up for clubs and organizations. and no girls are there. what kind of clubs do girls mostly hang out?

I looked at her as she walked in, looked down at my watch, up at her, down at my watch, and then dropped it and progressed on with the night.

I wish I new the actual statistics for how many of the posts on here are about girls with boyfriends. I swear it has to be a pretty healthy percentage.

Women of beauty are rarely single. A woman having a boyfriend/fiancé doesn't effect my game in the slightest. I won't actively pursue married women but if they open me and start flirting, then the game is on. If a woman is flirting with you and sending you IOIs, then she is at least entertaining the idea of stepping out and upgrading. If not with you, then with someone else. Why should I let the opportunity pass only to be taken by some other guy with a fraction of my game. I want the company of beautiful women in my life and I'm not going to sit around and wait for her to get out of a relationship to get it. A confident man takes what he wants. If you guys would just get out there and start experimenting, you'd find that having a boyfriend rarely means anything serious.

You want me to give you step by step instructions for how to deal with all of these "what if" scenarios and I'm not going to do it. Take the initiative and learn a method. I can game a woman in any scenario because I enact the fundamentals, develop contingency plans, and follow the PUA rules.

Get roomies, join a club, etc.

People, listen to this!

PUAs are successful NOT because we memorize sets, gambits, lines, openers etc.... we're successful because we used those methods to learn the human dynamic. It's a chess match - always be 3-steps ahead. What is she thinking, how will she react to ANYTHING you say? Be prepared for all angles.

I love the feeling when I'm in a set. It's a rush knowing while I'm looking at her, I'm learning her, I'm listening to her, I'm assessing her - my mind is in overdrive - yet she doesn't have a clue. That feeling is a high for me.

Great post, Doc.

Rodeo.

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Well, I don't want any step by step instructions. I would like to experiment this myself. What are the PUA rules anyway. Can you tell me or send me a link to the rules?

Although I want to date beautiful girls, for right now, I want a ok looking girl for my gf. No, no fat hogs, just ok looking is fine. I have to learn the game first, in order to get anyone. Shit, man you are one good champ. Keep it up. And I believe in this thing, that luck has to be created, and I am trying to create my luck with a girl, and I am willing to run hundreds of thousands of extra miles (metaphorically) to get women in my life.

Pick up a copy of somebody's method and start from there. I recommend The Mystery Method but they all work given the right circumstances. MM, Cocky Funny, or NLP. Start with one of those and then start crafting your own style. They'll teach you the fundamentals and start introducing the rules. If you're completely lost, then I recommend picking up the Layguide by Tony Clink. You can buy it used for $5 and it's got some solid beginner advice.

Take that mentality of wanting an "ok looking girl" and destroy it. Seriously, soak it in gasoline and set it ablaze. As PUAs, we're in this game to win it. We strive for only the hottest of hot because thats what we deserve. I've spent years cultivating my game to insure just that, and will continue to do so.

Luck plays a small part in the beginning of the game, but as you progress it will become less and less needed. An advanced PUA controls the situation and creates his own "luck", if you want to call it that.

Dude your depress, just not medically depressed.

Instead of trying to get girls go out and socialize with people. Because no pick up method is going to help you get girls if you can't socialize worth a crap.

Join an intramural basketball league or Volleyball league if you have any ounce of athleticism.

You appear to lack confidence cause your constantly defending yourself and calling others names. Best way I know to get confidence is go to the gym 3-4 days a weak and workout. Great way to get rid of stress and boost your confidence at the same time.

Then, next time you talk to a female. Have an actual conversation about her life, tell her you got to go and TELL her to put her number in your phone. Don't text or call her for minimum 2 days, maximum 3 days. But when you do tell her your going **somewhere to eat** and tell her to come. She we'll either come if she's not super busy or atleast try to make it up to you by offering something else. But be confident, sarcastic, and a good listener during your initial conversation.

First though get your mind right. Fix yourself without girls and then the girls will naturally follow.

Looks like your coming for a needy place. You want a gf because other people have gf's? comeon dude. Fix your confidence issues and get rid of your neediness for a start. go to the Inner game part of the forum and read the fixed topics there.

ok, so..
what have you been doing to get a girlfriend?
what do you enjoy doing in your life?
what do you dislike about your life?
what do you like about yourself?
what do you dis-like about yourself?
just how motivated are you to reach your goals exactly?

pm me

You're always gonna be a loner until you show respect for people that help you.