Hey, fellas. I'm new to the forum, and wanted to start off by reporting on a number close while on an international flight the other day. I also want to get feedback on whether I could have taken it further, played it smoother, etc.

So here's what happened, in brief:

I've got an aisle seat on a 7 hr flight to NYC from Dublin. I'm leaned back, looking out the window to my right. HB8—red head, knee-high boots, skirt and sexy black patterned leggings—comes up and asks to get in to take her window seat. I say yeah, and it's on.

I ask her about filling out a customs form initially, but this isn't game—I actually just want to know. I ask about her accent—part Irish, part American. She gives a little background on how she got it. I say cool, then rest my head back and sleep a bit while we take off.

As I'm waking up a half-hour later, I hear her tearing away some candy wrappers. As if we're already friends I comment on how weird it is when you hear a noise in your dreams, then wake up and find out it's real. She's engaged. We start chatting about where we've been, where we're going. I'm DHV-ing with my story about a design conference in the Netherlands I just went to, and she offers that she is a professional conference planner.

Cool. We get into talking about random shit, making jokes. I tease her a little bit here and there. I go kino a bit, touching her hand while talking. She's giving IOI's, touching my arm, stroking her hair.

My favorite part, about 15 mins. into the conversation, is when she orders an orange juice, then I order a beer, then she changes her mind and gets a hard cider.

So we're at about 20 mins, the conversation is sailing. She's telling stories, I'm listening, telling my own. As I'm talking she's looking at my mouth.

Now, gentlemen, this is the point when I usually start making out with a girl, or move her to another location. But for me this is where I got stuck: Red Head and I have got 6-7 hrs ahead of us on a cramped plane that smells bad, with babies crying and people hacking up lungs all around us, and there's nowhere to go. It's not sexy, and I start to imagine how sleezy I might come off as if I kiss her.

At a few points, I almost say fuck it and just kiss her. But the SPAM is so killing the mood. In my head I think if I were James Bond I'd kiss her, then pull out two parachutes and say, baby, let's get a move on.

So the conversation, AMAZINGLY, K E E P S G O I N G for the entire remaining 6-7 hours of the flight. But the attractions sorta dies down, and I get the sense she wonders whether I'm into her. So I number close, we leave the plane together, then say goodbye at customs as we go into separate lines, agreeing to hang out after I get back in 3 days from another upcoming trip I've told her about.

It's two days later, I've texted her about hanging out at a specific bar next week. No response. Whatever—it was a really fun number close. But what I'm curious about is: Could I have taken things further? And how? What would you all have done differently?

Fervor

C'mon, guys. Need your expertise!

I'm thinking maybe I texted too much back, or tried to set up a meeting too far in advance (was worried about the long time gap draining her interest).

Here is what I texted, yesterday (Monday):

Me: Oy, too much flying... why did I think Tucson would only be a 4-5 hr trip? Was 8!
Me: It's MyName from the flight, by the way...
Me: I think I'll be busy the rest of this week when I'm back... want to get drinks at BarName in Hells Kitchen next Tues after work? It's a cool place.

I sent three texts all within minutes of each other to make it seem like I wasn't planning or overthinking them. Maybe that came off as desperate?

I also think trying to set up a meeting a week in advance makes it not very important for her to respond. So maybe I'll call her later this week or text again next week saying I'm out with friends and she should meet us. (Not acknowledging her ignoring my last texts.)

Thoughts, gentlemen?

Fervor

Dude! I can totally relate to the part where you said "she wonders if I'm not into her." I have had this happen to me a few times, and am wondering whether at this point I should show interest/get number. Or play out the cat-string theory

I read your second post. Go easy on the texts. Low word count = win

Agreed. My texts were too much and seemed too interested.

Should I have kissed her on the plane? In theory we could have made out or more for the rest of the flight. But it seemed kinda trashy, like kissing a girl in a public bathroom or something (which, okay, I've done before in college, so maybe it doesn't matter).

Wake the fuck up. You're not James Bond this is reality. Reality means being a fucking man. You feel attracted to her and you know she wants to kiss you? Go for it what are you waiting a fedex envelope with your name written on it? "But Valentyn, what if she rejects me??" A true player knows that the response of one girl does not influence his ability to get women attracted to him. A true player is a dominant man who does not seek approval and who is unapologetic for going after what he wants. Stop giving excuses: "the plane smell bad" Are you kidding me? What did your senses tell you? Go for it I fucking want this girl...than stop waiting around and stop giving any sort of lame excuse for not grabbing your balls and doing what any MAN is supposed to do.

2nd mistake. Why the hell do you wait 2 days to text her??!!! 2 days man you're out! You said you lost attraction through the 6-7 hours ..well that means that the more attraction you dont have..the less time you have in getting in contact before she doesnt give a fuck about you.

3rd mistake. "The conversation AMAZINGLY kept going for 7 hours" Let me tell you one thing my friend. CONVERSATION = NO GAME...there is no game at all in conversation. What you say does not matter. It's your ability to ESCALATE that leads somewhere. Having conversation that leads nowhere = no game. It's the way you talk with your body and how you say the words that matter..and most importantly..are you escalating in your interaction? If your not escalating, you're not advancing. You're on the same spot for the last 3-4 hours that you've been talking. You need to escalate PHYSICALLY and EMOTIONALLY to get somewhere with a girl. I have a friend who closes girls asking them if they have a chicken..saying that they look like starfishes and saying the most idiotic things I have ever heard anyone say. However, he says it in such a way that it does not matter..it's what he's projecting as an image that gets the girl. His image of a MAN with PASSIONS and NO REGRET. Do that and escalate..results will come. But just talking will get you nowhere with any girl

A lot of rookie mistakes..hope this clears it up for you and good luck!

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You completely lost it..way too manyyyy mistakes. Texting is horrible Jesus Christ..get over it and move on

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Dude you should have kissed her and joined the mile high club in the public bathroom!

Haha. Thanks, Valentine. Very useful feedback, though I might suggest it would be even more useful by lightening the tone a bit. We're here to support each other, after all. It sounded as though I'd offended you somehow.

Anyway, let me ask you, since you clearly know what you're talking about: Say I kiss her, and we make out. Then what? The point of her giving me puppy dog eyes was 30 minutes into a 7 hour flight. So we make out for an hour. Maybe I finger her under a blanket. Then try to join the mile high club? Seven hours is a long fucking time to sit next to each other.

Perhaps your point is that I should have just focused more on the moment and said fuck it to what comes next.

Also, if texting is horrible, what's your method to get in touch? (Assuming I hadn't fucked it up at this point, of course.)

I know you weren't directing your question to me, but I personally wouldn't go from kissing to fingering without touching the rest of her body in between I normally touch their body in the areas that I think would turn them on, such as bare back, kiss/bite neck, boobs on the outside of shirt, boobs on the inside, and eventually lower stomach/theighs/vag. The lighter the touching the better (in terms of pressure), but don't be weird about it! I do it with a smooth, continuous natural motion, like what you see in movies. My FAVORITE spot is rubbing under the belt line because it *really* turns chicks on

As far as location goes; blanket sounds good, but the airplane bathroom is way better ("Meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"; get up and go, after all of the above kino)

I'm not here to be your friend..I'm here to tell you the things that you don't want to hear and the things that you NEED to hear in order to get good. I'm going to post what you shoud've done later on I have a lot of work to do! Peace out!

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Fair enough, Valentyn. I appreciate your advice.

Double-S, you're right of course. I was actually just talking about the highlights of how far I could go on the plane. Certainly wouldn't jump from kissing to fingering.

Fervor

Hey man..if I sounded rude I'm sorry but sometimes you need to someone to wake you up like that lol Here's a few things you could work on:

Start living in reality, you and way too many guys on this forum live in your mind. What do I mean by that? Stop thinking what comes next. What comes next will come next after you made the first move. You are worried too much about what will happen. However, because you don't know what will happen next, than it means that you are thinking about something that DOES NOT EXIST. Surfuring the inexistential is called insanity. You shoud've started with kissing her. You don't know what coud've happened. Maybe she would say that you guys should wait till the airplane lands and fuck in the bathroom...maybe the plane was going to fall down..but you can't live in your imagination like this..

With texting game, here a few tips..text her quickly man..like in the next 24 hours that you guys met. Less attraction you have, the less you can wait before she forgets you and your interaction with her. Through texts, you test for investement (which equals attraction).

Examples of investement:

- she answers long answers to your questions (good investement)
- she responds fast (good investement)
- yes = investment
- no = no investement ( ex: can you cook? response: no...why? )

Once you see some great level of investement and text pinging (texting eachother back and forth without waiting a lot of time between your texts)..now that's your cue to invite her out on a date..you will have like a 90% chance of getting the date if you follow what I wrote

Use call-back humor to create attraction and comfort. You basically exagerate reality to create fun and interesting conversations. Ex: she studies...tell her that she's a nerd and that it's a sin for a good girl like her to talk to a guy like you..

Ex: she plays sports...you can make fun of her being the water girl or the bench warmer....

Many stuff man get creative, I LOVE to make a role play about marriage. When she does something you don't like tell her that you're calling the lawyer and that you're taking the kids from her for 3 days...stuff like that have fun you can get so creative with texts! Anyway good luck mate!

And start thinking about ESCALATION. ESCALATION is the KEY!

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Valentyn, thank you very much. It's fascinating to hear you talk about how I was living in my head, because I ALWAYS do this—always get too fixated on what COULD happen, or worry about waiting for the right situation, rather than just responding to what's happening in the moment. Friends always point this out to me, and of course I never listen because they aren't able to articulate it the way a PUA like you can.

When I think back on the most successful pickups I've had with women, they were always ones where I didn't give a shit. One time a year ago I was at a friend's party at a bar and planned on only staying an hour. I ended up f-closing a girl I hadn't met before within 4 hours and now I think it's because I never worried or thought ahead—I actually just planned to leave! So there were opportunities, and I took them, not thinking of anything that may happen later. Escalation kept building and building. We didn't even talk all that much. It was more like teasing and role play.

But again, all this sort of happened by accident because I DIDN'T EVEN CARE. I had always intended to leave early. Thus my head didn't get in the way. Today this girl and I are pretty good friends (I didn't want anything more than the one night).

And with the quick texting: Yes, I see what you mean. So if she's invested and I set up a date, what is the optimal timeframe for the date once I reach a point where I can ask her? 2-3 days? Should I text her a few times before then to keep the attraction going? What if I am unavailable to hang out until a week or more later? How do I keep the attraction going?

Fervor

For the texting thing, go in your inbox I'm going to send you some awesome material about text game

And for your story with the girl you didn't care about..that's exactly how you want to think. It's hard to not give a fuck and it sounds weird but it takes practice..but be aware that in my opinion 60%-65% of game is played in your mind. Only your mind can decide if a girl rejected you is really a failure or just a part of every sport where you won't score with every shot you take. It is in your mind that you can decide to take action and gain experience or if you let fear take control over your life. Remember, are you doing this for the skill or to get one particular girl? You're for the skill right?? Than if you're in for the skill..than why does rejection matter? Does it have any outcome on your life? Fear is an illusion..don't let illusions keep you from your goals!

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