[quote="kasabi"

Alright, let's take a look:


Not at all difficult, this is basic shit and something only amateurs need to rely on so they don't get blown out immediately. The fact that you are trying to make it complicated and placed on a chalk board suggests that you have not yet reached this level in communication with the opposite sex. It should be second nature to your desire. It should flow. Shifting conversations through a "planned segway" and having to manipulate your way into a date or getting the digits is pathetic and will end in a high rate of flaking. Anyone can manipulate a conversation with a routine, this is not seduction. It's one sided and limited and will only warrant basic responses.


If you have experienced women in abundance, you would understand

So you are telling me that a few years back you were going out running "routine". Let's see well you are just over 40 now so you were running "routine" on girls in your late 30's. Yet you parade on this site as though you are a master player. Insulting and assaulting anyone that has claims that are not congruent with your ideology of pick up? Are you telling me that with all your worldly knowledge, and business skills and board room proposals, you still don't know how to be genuine with another human being. Are you telling me you have not met enough intriguing people on this planet to actually just be yourself. Are you telling me people prefer the " routine" you over the real you, after 40 + yrs of learning about people. If this is the case, i now understand why you are such an angry little man.



Since you said please. here is 10. To simplify it for you we will assume they are all comments just after the opener. And for pick up purposes lets assume you are trying for the SNL. ( just off the top of my head)

Girl: You're kind of cute. You have 30 seconds to tell me why I should fuck you.

Girl: I am sorry i am deaf, but if you look directly at me and talk i can
understand every thing.

Girl: Oh hey, your a cute little man. I've never been hit on by an asian before.

Girl: Listen I am not really interested in what you have to say. If you want to keep me company, can you just stand there for awhile and not say anything.

Girl: my boyfriend is out of town, i am looking for someone to seduce me. Are you man enough?

Girl: I really shouldn't be talking to you, my crazy ex boyfriend is over there staring.

Girl: If you dance for me and I like it, I'll let you buy me a drink
.
Girl: I have kids, so if your not into that you should just leave
.
Girl: I don't have sex or flirt with randoms and I am not really looking to make new friends.

Girl: I dont date guys, I am into girls.

These are just a few of the infinite possibilities you may here from women, tell me how your routine and your theory of segway will get such examples back into the path of your routine in one sentence, then tell me how you would get them into your bed. Since there is just a few variables to this game as you say. It should not be a hard equation for you.

Sure I may have common phrases or things i talk about as we all do. But if I can't connect to the woman, none of those things matter. The majority of my communication with a woman is based on her, her action, words, and thoughts.

Canned and Planned shit is see through. Manipulating a conversation into a routine is see through. It may work on the average drunk chick, but any women with a decent intellect will see right through it. If you can't get the girl to see that you are genuine, you are getting nowhere. Routines are not genuine.

I bet you are the type of guy that talks about yourself a lot to women. ( when you actually went out) Searching for that superficial recognition from women, Get them to say things like "Oh really! wow that's impressive". On the inside they are thinking " get me the fuck out of here"


As a matter of fact, yes! Can't you? The great thing is it can be learned through practice and observation.

Communication is the art of understanding. Being able to explain and illustrate your words on an internet forum and being able to communicate your desire to sleep with a woman face to face are two entire different entities.

Communication on this forum is merely words. Communication with another human being during a seduction is a combination of all your senses. The only way to do this with just words is to get deep into her mind. ( something a routine with fixed variables will never accomplish)

I know what value is, and your initial post offers none.

I understand all of it completely, It's not about understanding it, its about how pointless it all really is . It's basic shit.

Again, feeling the need to manipulate her into your perceived strengths. You feel the need to bring up your friends and social status to impress women? Can you not just try to seduce her mind right there on the spot? ( with all your knowledge and wisdom of women)


If you have to resort to routines and funneling a conversation to taylor your strengths or perceived value.. You are far from being a pick up artist. Dictating a conversation will only get you fixed responses, you will not be connecting to her and although you may get the digits or a second date,( through superficial connections) this has super high flake potential.

It's pretty much what everyone talks about on this forum, its not hard to pick up on the basic concepts and theories out here from reading posts.

These two "concepts' of is basic conversation skills. Any half decent sales man does this every day successfully. But he is not fucking his clients afterwards

This post will only confuse the newbies. And has no significance to anyone that is already somewhat successfully seducing women. It's Pointless!


Kasabi, you have a unique perspective and insight with things. It's a shame you are so full of hate and lack the fortitude to accept what you don't know and what may be insightful if you were not so narrow minded in your beliefs. If only you could put your insights and perspectives to better use by actually learning the perspectives from the naturals in this forum. And analyzing it without ignorance and doubt simply because it does not relate to your current ideology of pick up.


Only the wisest and the stupidest of men never change--Confucius

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It seems like people have routines to cover/create a personality and cover who you are versus routines used to control the conversation in a way that leads to how you want it to go confused.


I believe routines are cool especially as a newbie so you know what to do and learn how to manage a conversation with a girl.

Also a lot of people who say "You don't need to do anything" are usually people who come from a social circle frame rather than a cold approach.

If you think about it, a CA is a pretty new thing evolutionarily speaking (not that I'm an evolution theorist or believe it helps that much in pick up) BUT obviously cold approach isn't something INNATE in our body.

Attraction is. Rapport is. Sexuality is. BUT it's still a skillset to learn and you don't learn a skill by not having routines, habits, patterns, consistencies and consciousness awareness on some level.

I mean those words by their dictionary equivalent not their PU meaning too

Feel free to tell me where I'm wrong but it seems that's where everybody is confused with Kasabi; what the routine is specifically for.

On Variations:

The addict made an interesting contribution. I asked for 10 different variations and he offered us one written 10 different ways. I suppose his life could be one big shit/compliance test but most people tend to live more colorful lives. Even then, as I offered earlier, most people and the groups that they belong to will fall into cyclic routines. Most people in the communication arts (speakers, comics, debaters) will often categorize topics into groups. If you can learn to do the same, you'll make things a lot easier for yourself.

For example, if you're pitching a service, you might get bombarded with a bunch of different questions from various people in the room but it all comes down to technical, pricing, service, contract. If you can figure out a way to lead one of these four topics, you're set.

How often did you meet a girl for the first time when the topic raised was outside of Work/school, friends/social, travel/holidays, fun/hobbies? 1. Categorize. 2. Lead to your close topics. 3. There is no 3

@addict,

Interestingly, you're accusing me of the same things that I accused you for in your thread of delusions.

1. Can't you even come up with your own criticisms?
2. But if you must copy me, why not go all the way and do it right? I accused you of copy/pasting and offered links where your comments were written almost exactly the same. If you're accusing me of the same, go ahead and find some proof.
3. ^If you know WHAT IT IS, why don't you just tell us what it is? Value = Shit? Seriously, are you really retarded or are you pretending to be?

4. First you write that there are so many variations that you'd get lost with routines. Then your write that YOU could easily segway from anything to anything. Then you write that but it's only for newbies. How about a little consistency?

Another random point:
Contrary to what you might have read in a girly magazine, this can be a good thing if you're a man that has something to talk about and share. On the other hand, if you're a delusional liar, you won't get much positive feedback. Take a look at what you have to share with the World. YOU should not be talking about yourself much at all to anybody . . .

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It seems you learned a bit since your days of using the club as a running track and telling girls that they have 'bedroom eyes'. (when did you join? Has it been a few months already?)

@Kasabi

Show me these so called links that are similar to my writing. You have offered none in the past, stop making shit up kid. As for your recent response, all i see is in-coherent drivel. Not even worth me debating. Man what's wrong with you? Back on the attack eh? I attack your meaningless post, and you attack me. hahahaha! typical! If you want debate, then lets do it. You don't scare me kasabi. and your childish attacks are quite comical.

Anyone can see how pointless your so called "concepts" on this post are. But hey, you keep talking about your worldly routine that you have tried on 100's of girls just a few years ago the master player that you are. BAHAHAHA!

As far as anyone improving. Have you visited your lay reports, when you first came to this site? Hahaha! I'd have to say, on paper, you seemed to have improved. So in other words, your theory has improved.

If you want me to link your older lay reports for everyone to read, just say the word. I'd be glad to show the readers just how clueless you were just a couple of years ago. All that you know about pick up you learned on this site or at least from when you started here, yet you act as though you have been in the game for years and as if your way is the best and only way. Your ways aren't even your own.

A man in his 40's pushing routine. Now that's some funny shit! I would pay to see that.


Here's one of kasabi's lay reports. Keep in mind, this is a so called master, in his late 30's LOL!

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I thought that was a good LR, I mean, he got laid in it What more can you want from a PU!

Doesn't really take much to yank the addict's rope does it?

I guess you really got me this time. Thanks for letting us know that you're not scared of me in a discussion about structuring conversations for efficient communications. If you didn't tell us this, I'm sure most of us would have thought that you'd be lying in a fetal position deciding what to write next.

There are 20 year old members of the forum who have accomplished more than you socially, professionally, and obviously, mentally. Not sure why you're here thinking that you're teaching anything. Thanks for the entertainment and keep up the research.

Your shit is weak. Good luck to you, paper back player.

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Ok, enough!

This thread is hereby locked.

People taking part in behavior such as flaming and trying to deliberately make another member look bad just for the sake of protecting your own ego, be warned.

Mod

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