I can for speak for myself, by saying I am absolutely not wearing eye shadow.

No Starbuck, you speak for me in that regards too. I think you only do shit like that if you happen to be a musician or somebody in the preforming arts. Regular joes shouldn't be doing this sort of shit. Just my opinion.

No Starbuck, you speak for me in that regards too. I think you only do shit like that if you happen to be a musician or somebody in the preforming arts. Regular joes shouldn't be doing this sort of shit. Just my opinion.

The Doctor wrote an interesting post about eyeshadow...he wore it to a bar and it attracted mostly curious comments. He wore it to a strip club and bang. I hope I'm getting the gist of that, doc.

Thats exactly right Zip... I wore it one night to a college bar... and it was very mediocre, just didn't work well.

But when I wore the EXACT same setup to a strip club, the girls went crazy for it... I #-closed 2 before my pivot got there... and honestly my strip-club game isn't that great.

And to the rest of you guys... it's all modelling, don't be SOOO set on what identifys you as you... because it doesn't, you only think it does.

Now I'm not saying you should try wearing all sorts of make-up, if your not congruent with the "rockstar" persona then you'll just get laughed at.

It's all fun and games to laugh at some guys peacocking until you realize he just stole your girl. (lol, just ask some of the Naturals at the bars down here)

It's all fun and games to laugh at some guys peacocking until you realize he just stole your girl. (lol, just ask some of the Naturals at the bars down here)

And if a guy steals my girl just because he's got on eye shadow, he can have her and I'll shake his hand too.

I would consider it a favor.

And if a guy steals my girl just because he's got on eye shadow, he can have her and I'll shake his hand too.

I would consider it a favor.

I'll make sure to wear make-up when I meet your wife

Ok, Zip, on the idea of peacocking. Which would you say is more important in a club. Peacocking or overall attitude? Sure, both is good, but if you had to choose one, which would be more important?

Hi Zip, I am new here to the PUA forum and the community itself.

Got a few questions to ask you.

1. If a woman is already taken by AMOG (aka boyfriend, not yet engaged) should I still approach her PUA style?

2. I take the elevator to my class a lot and it is always full. There are mixtures of both men and woman. Every time I get in there I see at least one HB. Now, is it wise to start talking to her or wait until I see her else where? I am not so comfortable having everyone tuning into our conversations (if I do start) in the elevator, or should I work the group? It is always quiet as no one is talking ever, rather awkward!

Let's hear what you have to say. Thanks.

You know, instead of shying away from everyone else in the elevator hearing your conversation with the HB, you can use observers as a tool to make the HB respond how you want. Work it right, and you can practically make her say yes to a date with you, just by making it awkward for her to say no in a group of people. It's cute if it's done well. Any guys want to help him out on this? Anyone ever field tested it?

2.) Get a game plan and work the elevator. If you're new, you should be pushing yourself (non detrimentally, of course) to go for things that would break your comfort zone. Plus, quiet elevators suck.

Why We Hate Riding in Elevators

Crowding at concerts, cinemas, in trains or buses results in unavoidable intrusion into other people's "Intimate Zones" (they describe the distance earlier in chapter), and people's reactions are fascinating to watch. There is a list of un-written rules that most cultures follow rigidly when faced with a crowded situation such as a packed elevator, in a line at the sandwich shop, or on public transport.

Here are the common elevator rules:

1)There will be no talking to anyone, including a person you know
2)Avoid eye contact with others at all times
3) Maintain a "poker face" ---no emotion is permitted to be shown
4) If you have a book or newspaper, pretend to be deeply engrossed in it.
5) In bigger crowds, no body movement is allowed
6) You must watch the floor numbers change at all times.

This behavior is called "masking" and is common everywhere. It's simply each person's attempt to hide their emotions from others by wearing a neutral mask.


pg. 197 from The Definitive Book of Body Language

There is a reason behind to why elevators are generally 99.9% quiet. I'll quote this section of one of the best books I've ever read. This one should be on your bookshelf too Zip.


The point of this is that starting a conversation on a elevator probably will not get a good reaction due to the fact that people feel violated from the get go with others in their "intimate zone." Once I read that shit, I'm like....HOLY FUCK they are right.