I'm not really asking why, I've already gone through all that, non supplication bla bla confidence yada.

The thing that has bothered me is I quit my quest to get laid a while ago. I've been trying to work on improving my life and happiness, doing what I want, etc. Then I'm come back to this later I guess.

I've met women and my goal recently has nothing to do with having sex with them. Yet all women still treat me like absolute crap for being "nice".

I understand this when I'm trying to game them, fair. But this happens even with friendships, social circle, or acquaintance females. I'm finding people won't answer/return my calls, hang out with me; I pretty much don't exist unless I switch back into using what I learned trying to get laid to "trick" them into being interested in me. I can't gain any sort of respect from any woman I talk to unless I put on a "magic show" for them.

This is bothering me alot. Why are women punishing me because I refuse to abuse them? Yes, I understand you can not be a boring nice guy, not be a jerk but be a confident inbetween.

As I slowly work my way from nice guy to that inbetween, I find no improvement to my reception. I can't even get my best female friends to talk to me for longer than a minute, let alone have them put any sort of effort towards any sort of friendly relationship.

Unless I switch to fake dick mode.

Is not the fact that your nice, there is something else here. How is your hygiene? How is your personalities?

how is your fitness?, how is your hygene?, how is your style?, how is your grooming?,

I doubt it has much to do with being nice/mean

It isn't my looks or my style. I get by in those categories. I'm average weight.

The fact that you guys are also baffled worries me. It means that my assumption that inner game is a bunch of BS may be more correct than I like.

All this inner self work I've been doing outside of women seems to be having no effect on any area of my life, I still get crappy responses whether I want to screw or just need someone to be a friend.

is this happening with girls you already know, or random girls?,

how are you approaching?,

are you having fun when you are talking to girls?, are you feeling good?, what is going through your mind?,

is it ''I BETTER BE MEAN, THIS WILL GET THESE GIRLS TO LIKE ME'', or ''I BETTER BE NICE, THIS WILL GET THESE GIRLS TO LIKE ME''?

Just a thought. Maybe there is a tension between you and the girl when you play the bad guy and that makes the conversation interesting.

Take that away, maybe your conversation just isnt interesting enough if you are just being nice.

No tension means no interest.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

It happens with all women I encounter.

Back when I practiced approaching, I tried every style. I've done everything from crappy mystery method canned openers back in high school, to natural honesty with my social circle to even direct approaches in the day time and blatantly just admitting I want sex as an opener.

Am I having fun? No, getting shot down for the hundredth time is highly uncomfortable with someone with depression. Do I feel good? No, I feel like crap all he time because my work has never shown any results no matter how hard I work. Sometimes I'm like "oh dear god, why am I approaching this woman, I'm going to get the -I have a boyfriend- speech again". Sometimes I'm more focused on just having a positive interaction.

My comment about being a jerk was more of a reflection of my experiences with women in my life. I've gotten closer to getting laid when I treat women like trash.

Now when I like back, every woman who has come close to liking me was because I was ignoring/using them.

A perfect example was this beautiful tall woman in my class back in high school. I was friends with her and has no romantic motives whatsoever, I just wanted to chat with her over coffee but she repeatedly ignored me whenever I'd try to deepen the friendship in any way. I soon because tired of being treated like crap and used her. I used the infamous "Cube" on her but refused to tell her the ending unless she came with me for coffee. I've never seen a woman completely change her tune so quickly. All of a sudden, she quickly dropped all plans to get the answer to her Cube. So we got coffee, I told her and the next day after that, she went promptly back to ignoring me again.

I feel the only way I can get respect is if I manipulate people.

I'm a nice guy, and I'm having success. I also have clinical depression. The whole nice guys finish last thing is BS...codependent guys finish last should be the saying. Being nice is one thing, but you may be giving off an air of neediness. I usually game with a wingman to keep my self esteem from being dependent on whether or not I get rejected. I have to go work, but I'll be back in about 7 hours. Post up one of your exchanges with a woman and let the board analyze it. We'll help you get to the bottom of this.

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I doubt being "too nice" is the problem here unless: (1) you are always changing your position in order to please the person in question. It comes off as fake and unconfident, and becomes annoying really quick. (2) you are always going out of your way to please people. It comes off as creepy and desperate.

Women want you to want to fuck them bro.. Why do you think they wear tight dresses and show clevage? They want you to be SEXually attracted to them and to show it as long as its done in moderation.

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ok so lets see,

you have some problems that pua most likely can't fix, if you are not happy, then you have to find happiness and acceptance from within your self (easier said then done), if you are depressed talk to your doctor, also changing your diet and exercise regime can help you feel better (but go see a doctor as I am not a doctor)

you are basically forcing yourself to approach, not because you want to, not because you enjoy having conversations, or just genuinely are interested in the girls and get enjoyment out of hitting on them, but because you want sex from them, you are attached completely to your results, and get nothing from the interactions, chances are you don't bring anything to them either, if you're not having fun, if you're not enjoying it, then chances are the girls you are talking to, feel the same way, doing this would be almost the same as just masturbating (I know this sounds weird), but really getting a girl to like you won't fix the way you feel, if you have sex you will eventually realize it did not fix anything, and you still feel shitty, and most likely you will just eventually lose interest in that girl you got, thinking, if I just get a better girl or a different girl to like me, this will probably fill that hole and I can finally be complete (does this seem like an accurate representation of how you feel to you?), but you won't feel that completeness, it will turn into masturbation, you will just drop a load, lose interest, and onto the next one, this will probably only end up making you feel even more shitty

the only thing that sort of stands out in my mind is you have to try to fix the way you feel inside, girls come as a result of your awesomeness and feeling complete, becoming awesome and feeling complete does not come as a result of getting girls,

if you do get any results from a girl, and she starts to validate you, do you by any chance put all your focus onto that option? drop everything in your life to the extent where she is your top priority in life?

do you by any chance have a passion in life, or other hobbies besides girls?

are any of your hobbies interpersonal and involve face to face activities with other people in person?

how much physical activity do you get a week?, how often do you go out?

how often are girls talking back to you compared to how often you are talking to them? (do they contribute to conversations?)

do you find it easy to make friends with people? have you been able to make friends with a girl before and hang out with her alone as friends?

what is your true opinion of your strengths and weaknesses?, what do you like about yourself?, what do you dis-like about yourself? (don't relate this to women, just in general speaking only for yourself, what do you like about you)

pm me, we will continue this in private

I have a feeling your coming off as a salesman.

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Girls aren't stupid. If you're miserable and try to use women to fix that, you'll just end up looking creepy and desperate.

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8/22/11 (Bus)

Approaches: 1
Numbers: 0

I'm riding back on the bus from dinner on my first day back at college when a cute brunette with curly hair sits across from me. The bus is nearly empty, the fact that noone would hear me helped lessen my fear.

-Polka Dot-

Worhol: Nice dress
Polka: Thanks, you like my polka dots?
Worhol: I do.
Polka: I've had it since my freshman year in high school, bla bla
Worhol: Wow, you must have an amazing body to be able to fit in the same dress for all these years, I'm jealous
Polka: Thanks *looks away coyly, IOI*

(We continue to talk about our background. She mentions her long curly hair, I make a joke about my short hair, she tells me it looks nice (Giant IOI). She then asks for my name, another giant IOI. At this point, I think I have it in the bag. I'm excited inside because I'm ready to get my first phone number ever. We talk about her major, joke about french. My stop is coming up.)

Worhol: *shake her hand* It was nice to meet you, my stop is coming up. You seem really interesting, would you be up for lunch sometime soon?
Polka: I'm sorry, I don't really do that. I don't really go out with people I don't know.
(I'm utterly thrown off by this, I thought she was obviously attracted to me, then gives me that excuse even after I give her my all?)
Worhol: What? What about me, I don't know you either, we'd hang out, and you might try to jump me in an alleyway
Polka: *laughs* Yeah, I'm sorry, I just don't do that. Please don't tell me I've discouraged you from being friendly to strangers
Worhol: Pretty much, I'm now never going to talk to another person again thanks to you
Polka: *laughs*, sorry



-An example of a conversation with a friend where I have no romantic intention whatsoever-

Worhol: I'm almost embarrassed I haven't checked in on you the entire time we've been at college. What have you been up to this whole time?

Her: Hi Worhol! No worries, things are crazy and life happens I've been good! Can't believe I will be graduating in May. Oh lots has happened! I am living in my sorority for the 3rd year now and will be sad to move out in May. How have you been? What has been new this year?

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving break!

Worhol: I've been good. I've also been working towards graduating and spending too much time playing around.

What's new? Salsa, improv shows, whatever comes to my mind to go to it seems.

Hmm... you are in a sorority, how troublesome. If you tagged along with me to eat, you wouldn't get into fist fights with women from rival sororities, would you?

Her: Salsa? sounds exciting! Are you graduating in May as well? Haha no I hope no fight would happen!

Worhol: Kinda, I'll be graduating in the summer, close enough.

After you graduate, who is going to be my role model?

She doesn't respond after this. Every female I talk to on facebook, online, or text does this. Phone calls are never answered.

It definitely sounds like you're giving off a needy vibe. All I see is you qualifying the women while disqualifying yourself. That is the archetypal nice guy mistake. It speaks to a burning desire to be loved by the person you're gaming, and they are put off by that realization. Women want someone who is secure with themselves. How can she feel safe with you if you don't feel safe within yourself?

You need to take a big step back from outer game and work on some personal issues. I just started seeing a psychologist, and I feel better than I ever have in my entire life.

I hope you take this the right way. Feel free to PM me.

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