The seduction community is full of bullshit ... philosophical bullshit you are feeding to those newbies.

Those who have problems with women lack 2 things :

1. CONFIDENCE
2. BEING SEXUAL

My advice on building confidence may be extreme , but sure as hell is better than most of the crap you are posting on this forum.

Btw , I may be clubbing , but I assure you I am no joker.

LEARN TO SHUT UP WHEN PEOPLE MORE COMPETENT THAN YOU ARE SPEAKING.

* DROP THE ENVY , YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF.

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I completely agree, now show me this person with a deeper understanding of what game is. In fact show me on this post where game is even suggested? This forum is about picking women up. To assume that everyone on here needs life advice or guidance in becoming a better person is insulting. That is what their family friends and peers are for. If they want that advice they can go to other forums that are specific to those needs.

This is a site for picking up women. Hence the name. I notice you don't comment when certain people attack others. If you want to be biased that is your choice.

I respect your writing and your words, you are an intelligent man. But as a moderator, I still expect you to be fair to all not just your favorites.

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Not Giving a Fuck=Not staying in your head during the the pick up. Ability to relax and actually have some fun. Not worrying about judgement caused by your actions.

I don't think it meant to be a degenerate homeless man running at women with his dick out.

Anyway's I bought some sweet shoes today at lunch. We should talk about shoes now.

"Attack the argument, not the person"

Though I don't always agree with Kasabi or even see eye to eye with him Its obvious to me that he is a smart man.

What I don't get is why a man who parades around acting "wise" and who is obviously intelligent feels like he has to resort to acting like a 7 year old.

Kasabi, you can make a point without having to resort to childish name calling and other tactics. Your a smart man, don't degrade yourself doing the same stuff my little nephew does when he is mad at someone.

Also, I'm seriously curious about this.... why do you always seem so angry?

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Well many people interpret "not giving a shit" differently in different context.
When a girl throws a shit test at you or tries to emotionally and mentally bring you down,
it would then in that context be a good idea to not give a fuck.
Otherwise yes I would agree that people need to go through major aspects of life caring
about things worth doing. I feel that this argument is being blown out of proportion and
I sympathize with Kasabi for what he has witnessed.

Just to chime in my opinion on the matter...

While you shouldn't give a fuck what she thinks about you, you should stay keenly aware of how your making her feel.

Example 1: Your taking to a woman and she tells you that she hates your shirt and it make you look like a retarded 13 year old. While you shouldn't care (because your opinion of you should matter more than her opinion of you) you should still stay keenly aware of how your making her feel.

Regardless of what she thinks of your shirt, how is she feeling? Is she repulsed by you or is she still interested in you regardless of her feelings about your shirt?

If you want her pussy on your dick then you need to keep an observation on how shes feeling about you and calibrate your actions accordingly.

Example 2: You approach a woman and within seconds she tells you to fuck off because your a creep. She doesn't actually know you or what your like so why give a shit what she thinks? However, if you approach a bunch of woman and they all call you a creep you should examine why you made them feel that way.

See the difference?

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Don't give a fuck about outcome...well not sure how easy it is to do this. I remember tyler talked about dealing with AA by shifting focus onto smaller things(for example on actually approaching).

This strategizing and scripting...I guess like everything, too much of a good thing is a bad thing, but even having a favorite place to take your dates to can be considered a routine, or having some select conversational topics.
The bad aspect of it imho would be MM-type of scripting where you try to predict the interaction pretty much word for word. That's just lame.

Also somebody mentioned true self...couple days ago I read the following quote in a book on trading stocks.
It went something like this:

Imagine, that there was no possibility for you to fail, what would you do then? That's your true self.

just some food for thought...

Just a few random thoughts on this thread followed by some suggestions:

1. If you make a public claim or statement for anything , it's a good idea to back them up by something a bit more substantial than: a. "It works for me." b. Weird math... 58%*X=Sex. c. "Check it out, I saw it work on reality tv."

2. Not sure where all this push back is coming from but again, for all those still proclaim the "I don't give a shit" mantra, please name one person who is successful in ANYTHING in life who followed this line of thought. And no, pick up is not some special thing that is different from everything else in life.

3. The addict made an interesting contribution in this thread. He supports the idea that "OBVIOUSLY, pua's give a shit." - Yes . . . He then suggests that a persona of 'not giving a shit' attracts. I can see this angle. So if this is an 'act' and you're fully aware of yourself and those around you, I don't see anything particularly wrong with it. Nobody goes out to clubs to exercise seriousness. If they wanted to be serious, they'd still be at work. However, I'm not sure how many people here are mature enough to do this.

4. "Leave her Better than you found her." - How is this even possible when you're meeting her with an "I don't give a fuck," attitude? More interestingly, it's the guys who are most likely to proclaim the first cliche' that are most proud of the second.

5. This is an interesting thought but I'd like to ask you, "HOW"? How do you propose a guy should give a fuck for one thing but doesn't give a fuck about another? These are emotions. . . Can you suggest any exercises? Do you have a mental tricks to offer us? How do you suggest that I stop feeling shitty over thoughts that I have in my head? Hey, nobody likes to feel negative emotions but it's a part of life. It's a far better idea accept them, learn to manage your 'perceptions', and continue on in a positive path. This is a copy/paste from another thread.

I. Manage Your Perceptions

In many posts and particularly the journals, there seems to be a lot of guys who experience some mood swings due to unfavorable results of their 'game'. The flowchart most often works something like this:

1. Unfavorable result.
2. Negative emotions.
3. Analysis(Usually just pop shot perceptions) of unfavorable result.
4. Slow down or STOP initial strategy.

You already know the problems with the above. Negative emotions never help with judgement but hinders it. It leads to unclear thoughts and self doubt. Obviously, unclear thoughts and self doubt can only lead to a SLOW DOWN; if you can't see the road ahead while driving, what do you do?

In order to block 2, "negative emotions", many go the delusional angry guy route; You've seen plenty of these posts here: "I am better than her. She's a bitch and a whore. She's a stuck up cunt, etc . . ." Although this might temporarily block self-directed negative emotions for a short period, 1. It never lasts (This is a delusional fantasy after all) 2. More importantly, it won't set you up to continue sarging with a better strategy. Removing humanity, compassion, and thoughtfulness might help some kids kill a bunch of 'gooks', 'krauts', 'japs', or 'towelheads' but it won't help you ATTRACT others to you.

Practice getting to #3(analysis) as soon as possible. The longer you wait, the longer your emotions will skew your perceptions. When you practice this enough, there will come a point when 2 and 3 flip so that your flowchart looks like this. And once you get to a flowchart like this, the emotions you feel will hardly be negative as when things were the other way around.

1. Negative result.
2. Analysis of negative result.
3. Emotions
4. Alternate Strategy.

But for any of this to happen, you gotta give a shit.

Just a few random thoughts on this thread followed by some suggestions:
While if you look at many of my posts, lay reports, field reports, or you would meet me in person, everything is consistant with the self amuzement, no giving a fuck, no trying to impress... I would propose that you follow your own advise with something other than "i saw a bum" you are a smart dude, and you play the i do not understand card i counted 7 puas that try to explain the "i do not give a fuck mantra" some of them multiple times..Success in anything does not correlate to success with women, the reason i pointed out the bravo tv show the millionaire match maker, is because the show has very succesfull athletes, business owner, successful _________Fill in the blank that are not good with women, i advise you to watch couple of episodes and it will make sense to you...
i will explain the do not give a shit factor, women specially the hot ones, have had experiences with succesful, cool dudes, that are the prototype of what you described in the op..... But at some point or another the dude became needy or creep her out, or they were dating and did not want to let go, when it was over. THE I CARE, i give a fuck attitude, became in the hb head a negative association to a dude that was needy and could not let go of her for example... So when a crazy ass motherfucker like skills comes with his craziness and the cool, i am not here to play or kiss your ass, i am gonna fuck your brains like you never been fuck before, those hot hb associate that with true self and not an act(is hard to explain dude but it how it works) and we are gonna share and talk about relationships, business, health/fitness whatever(yes being educated, and well rounded super important in pick up, women guys like that has some type of level of success or if you do not have that level they can smell ambition)
The leave her better than you found her is just a cliche, you will be surprise how many women while you are fucking them are talking shit about their hubby or boyfriend, women do not give a fuck about leaving a dude better than the found them, usually they take half of the money, real estate, and child support lol... Anyways back on point, sometimes is hard to do this with clingers and stalkers, but i will claim in this part ignorance since the leave her better than you found her just like amoging, are 2 concepts i do not understand very well, what i would agree with is not to do stuff to women to hurt or out of revenge or malicious intent. Yes, in my style how i want to make her feel is either mentally or physical aroused...
T that sounds like a dude that has some type of onitis... But would love for you to link the threat so i can make an intelligent response, but i would bet is onitis... The problem with those dudes is that they live in a fantasy pick up word, they need to know that it is mainly a numbers game, rejection is a huge part of the game and the way the understand women, and rejection and how to perceive it the right way:
Be efficient:
3 types of women those into you... Here is were you wanna be..

those that are maybe... Here you can use game to convert them

those that no matter what... can not be converted and are a waste of time, next...

The problem with all those routines and the elaborated game is that they make a simple stuff complicated.

more important than routine is being A sexual attractive dude: being fit, being good in game, have confidence, have goals and ambition, have abundance of women and/or an abundance of women attitude/mentality(here again the do not give a fuck plays a role), be good in bed, be ABLE TO AROUSE WOMEN mentally, in text, on the phone, in person, be physical physical physical... Escalation in itself makes you attractive specially if you do it right to the point of arousal..

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No thats not what I am saying.

Im saying that everybody has different backgrounds and different sets of skills and problems. The anal breakdown of human interaction is there to explain bits and pieces to those who cant just feel the vibe and go with it. Neg theory is the number one example. It feels shady and it is. But it is only there for some people, everyone else can just skip it. It is there for the people who are constantly subjected to "You are way below my standards" or give the girl too much value. If you dont have that problem, you dont need to neg.

Also I said, either you got your act together or you are "batcave discostick etc". So Im saying that you can also be fully capable without any form of trained game. You may be a natural or you just might have the type of personality that get you up above the threshold between not desired and desired. There are a million parts to what makes a man attractive to women and if he has built them up high enough, he wont need game. But as we all know, AFCs get laid too, but there you have the batcave situation.

Kasabis posts are detailed rather than complicated. I am the first to say that we all have a lot to learn, you, me, kas, everybody. Nobodys perfect. To me it isnt important who attacked first, it is only important that people get over their own egos and start listening to each other. I have learned shitloads from listening to bad advice, seriously. I have tried out stuff that hasnt worked in field and I have understood what is wrong with it, on a deeper level.

Just to say, I am nobodys "fan", people are sometimes right and sometimes wrong. I call it as I see it. Just like I agree with Kas at times, I agree with you too. And sometimes I disagree.

I just know that the most useless posts I read here are posts where people tell others to just "be yourself" or "man up" because it shows a great lack of insight. An inability to see things from another perspective. It is easy for someone to say "man up" and some people can just do that, but others with a different set of problems just cant do it. They need advice of another sort. That is why I try to give advice based on the person asking for it, not based on me.

If I would give Ezo based advice I would say "smile knowingly, grab her by the throat and tell her, come here little girl, look into her eyes and release her by saying you suck." Now that is completely useless advice because none of you are me. You cant do it in my way or use my personality, I do a million other things that doesnt show in writing. Tonality, proximity, bodylanguage, context, a bunch of inner game, reputation, humor, etc etc. So you see, what can look like sexual assault in writing may actually be a pickuproutine.

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Bad move, starting with the first, assulting moderators on the forum is rarely advisable. Meaning This is a warning I would give anyone assulting anyone, not because it is me.

You call it philosophical bullshit, maybe because you dont understand it. This is inner game. Now people who has a bit more experience tend to favor inner game discussions (or philosophical bullshit as you call it) because that is where the big changes can be made.

Absolutely, confidence and being sexual are the two biggest parts of what makes a man attractive, the only thing I wanna say is that it isnt that easy to teach someone to build confidence. You cant just tell them to grow some balls. You gotta explain it to them in a way that they can benefit from, break it down.

Hope youll get there some day boy.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

If you have noticed, people who flame get their warnings in a PM. I assure you, everyone who misbehave are warned, it has nothing to do with favorites. We are being fair even though it is difficult to see since you cant see the PMs we send to others than you.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

The whole point most people got into pua is because they give a shit. If you did not give a shit you would not be on the forum asking for/or giving advice. You would not be trying to learn new things. You would not be trying to improve yourself. Basically the whole point of all of this is caring.

Everyone told me not to be outcome dependent. This was my biggest mistake early in the game. When I failed I just didn't care because I shouldn't be dependent on the outcome. I just got fed up. Basically the moment I started caring if I succeed at what I do and started approaching the game the same way I would do any other thing in my life that is important. I got results. Example Supporting what kasabi's said... I play rugby. I do not see the point in running around the field tired to death and getting up at 5 to gym so that I can, on game day, act as if it doesn't really matter if we win.

I agree you cannot let your opinion of yourself depend on the outcome.
However that is not outcome dependent. If you fail ask yourself why and work on that.
Not caring will just put the idea in your mind that she probably had a bad day and you are still the smoothest peanut in the packet(This occurs a lot when your ego is involved)

The I don't give a shit mentality is basically just a way saying do not be phased by shit tests flakes jealousy plots etc. And this works...but it should just be taken literally to a certain extent, and there should be a line where you start giving a shit. However, you can't just tell someone just don't give a shit and expect them to do well.

The biggest problem on this forum mainly is people asking undetailed questions Like I have met this girl and I think she likes me what do I do next?
And people giving general advice... Dress nice. Take her to some place fun.

It has become more of a battle to who has the best advice, and in stead of trying to give the best advice you can give, people give reasons why any other advice someone gives isn't as goo

All this "philosophy bullshit" is the base of inner game. It gets you in the right mind set. With the right mindset it is much more easier to establish a bullshit filter of what would work and whatnot. Thats why the main problem with MM was that the guys focused on outer game and planned the conversation ahead. When the conversation didn't go as planned they were screwed because they suddenly had nothing to go on. With the rightmindset it is much easier to adapt to situation and learn to be calibrated(see adam lyons for calibration)

And Skills. By your repeated attempts to prove you are right. You basically prove that you do give a fuck.

P.S And I am really not trying to post this as it not related but it's irritating. It is THREAD with a "D" not THREAT.---If you feel guilty while reading the last sentence it is aimed at you.

This shows that someone somewhere has perspective. Simple is often best. You are right man, we are definitely caring. Too bad that people so often care more about being right than listening to each other.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Great post OP +rep
This shows that theres a fine line to tons of pua misunderstandings

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