nah! is hard to explain when the circle kind of breaks, it has to be done fast a small window of opportunity, is when they are not into themselves making eye contact with each other, there are 2 circles the open waiting for a guy with the right skills to break them, and the close circles(heavily into themselves do not want to be bother hard to break )... the right moment in club game is like a song the is conductivite to opening and when the club stage is the 12.30 and up when people are socially more warmed up( example reggae, reggetton, emotional girly songs, hits etc... vs lets say super fast techno or hard rock), nah if you read what i say, i favor the surprise/accidental approach with confidence you are lip sinking you are as surprise as her that you "kind of accidentally happen to be there dancing with them" in my experience best approach mixed with confidence and no hesitation a dude with balls... but if you happen to make eye contact try to approach immediately if you take too long she will think you lack confidence, and you think she is better than you instead of equals, plus you will overthink(3 second rule kind of)...I know all this shit is a little out there but is just hard to explain but just give it a try next time you are out.. Pumpington has some good come backs no my style but pretty smart ass comments, again no my style this is pua pumpingnton here:


hyper focus on target, not a shred of attention to obstacles, lock your target in physically immediately so that the friend can't lock her in and move her (put your arms around her, or hug her, get close and physical), don't acknowledge they even exist to the point it is so awkward for them to even be around they just leave you be, be persistent and block them out with body language, if a girl starts causing trouble and you have the target locked in physically, first try to get your target to help you, if she won't go against her friend, just give out commands, such as,

-STOP COCK BLOCKING
-DON'T COCK BLOCK YOUR FRIEND
-THIS IS MY GIRL, GET YOUR OWN
-HEY!, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, NO TOUCHY

make sure these come off as intimidating and dominant, but after shouting or doing this, do something friendly to relieve the tension a bit, (make a joke or a light hearted comment after doing these so you don't seem like such a dick and it turns into something fun for the target, rather then something serious and demeaning to her friend you want her to think you are a dominant and intimidating confident guy, but you are just joking around and tooling her friend a bit)

-STOP COCK BLOCKING (god stop being such a good friend, protecting your friend from terrible scum bags like me)
-DON'T COCK BLOCK YOUR FRIEND (she is never going to find the love of her life if you ruin her wedding before it happens, you can be our flower girl)
-THIS IS MY GIRL GET YOUR OWN (there is a cute girl over there, go make some friends, you seem friendly and cool)
-HEY!, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, NO TOUCHY (you seem really affectionate but don't try to get her to cheat, we are getting married)

make sure the original commands, are said, loudly with dominance and authority as commands, (basically yell and scare her), then the take aways say them in a friendly nice guy tone that shows your just kidding, basically you want to scare her enough so she backs away and can't do shit, but at the same time show the target you are not serious and are just kidding around (you need confidence to pull this off well)

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Sorry if this was covered before.. I didnt see it.

How do you approach/ deal with two or more girls dancing togethor?
Personally I think most girls will be very reluctant to dance with you and alienate their friend.. especially if there's only two or three in the group. Which I get.. like her friend would just be standing there.. So how do you get passed these obstacles?

Some guy have been asking me about logistics.. For young guy like me, logistics is often the hardest part.

I would be lying if I told you logistics are not a pain in the ass for me too.

That being said, we know that they really fuck up our game... So it's up to us to deal with it and to find solutions!

I'm 19 year old, I still live with my parents, I go to university during week/weekend and when I'm not, I am working. Which means, I will not pay for a hotel room just for a girl. In my opinion, it just doesn't worth it! Personally I will not bring a random girl home either. I already did it and it caused a lot of drama with my parents so I will not bring a girl home unless I plan on going out with her.

so...

What should I do?

There's always many options, it's just a matter of which one you prefer.

Some guys I know will fuck close their girls in the club bathroom. Personally, I don't do it since It already got me kicked out of the club (Most club check out boys bathroom every 5 minutes but they never ever check the girl's bathroom. They can't... So if your considering this option, do it in the girl's bathroom and hope that girls won't tell any doorman).

Many of you guys consider themselves unlucky because they have bad logistics. But as a matter of fact, your probably not in a situation when YOU want to fuck the girl and she wants nothing to do with you. She is probably interested in you and you are both interested in having sex with each other. Why don't you try to work something out with the girls? Ask her if she has an apartment or if you can come to her place even if she's still with her parents (Warning: Mornings can be awkward in this kind of situation). Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that if you don't try, you won't get anything. Hell, who knows? Maybe the girl will come up with new ideas!

Since I wont bring a girl home, I won't do it in the bathroom, and most of the girls I flirt with don't have better logistics than me, I HAD to find another way.

A car.


My car, my friend's car, the girl's car... Doesn't matter! Yes, I totally agree... F-closing in cars is not really great (Especially for tall guys like me) but it's still better than nothing. I do think that this is the safest way to fuck close for young guys like us and most girls are up to it. You just tell her something like: "Hey, lets go in my car. I want to have some private moments with you."

If you don't like being THAT direct, you could also do like I do, bring a bottle of alcohol in your car and tell the girl to come take some shots with you. Works too.


Anyways, logistics are still a pain in the ass for us youngsters but that doesn't mean we can't do anything about it!

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on logistics from another stuff i posted, remember age irrelevant many natural live with a girl(me) and have the same problem:


1.- game girls that are older than 24 (they usually have their on place, actually i am talking with 22 year old and she has her on place)... 2.- game girls that are married or living with a dude(relationship is dead or close to dead just in it for whatever reason) more likely to do motel etc... 3.- take them to the beach or to a park(last resort). 4.- Fuck them in the car. 5.- bring them back to your parents place(i did that), if your mom is cool... number 6.- do something key word SIMILAR, since it has to be congruent to what i and some other pua and i am sure many others do which is:

for-guys-living-at-home-or-embarrassed- ... ght=living

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I understand what you mean. It's not simple, I guess I go through the mind-set that no girl can ever reject me. I hate rejection and I feel as if I did something wrong in my way of approach if I do get rejected.

Here's another one, do you ever game girls or groups that are less than spectacular? The 5's and 6's? I'm pretty shallow and I will always avoid these groups. Often, I find a 3 set thats made up of 5's and 6's and I'll just walk by to those to more of the better looking ones. Bad idea?

If you hate rejection, you need to work on your attitude, perception an inner game, I get rejected every night i go out, everybody gets rejected, is part of the game, the way i see rejection is "i am not wasting my time, she is doing me a favor saving me time so i can spend it with a girl that is into me" just make sure other women did not happen to see it, cause it will be harder to open even if you are their type do to women group mentality, why she rejected him, monkey see monkey do, there most be something wrong with the dude, so you go to another part of the club, were women less likely to see the incident if it was a blown out... But rejection in club game is subtle if you know what you are doing vs blown out... she gives you the hint in many ways: slowing down the dancing as you approach or stopping, moving away or leaving the dancefloor, Hugh dancing her friend, saying: "she is with me or my gf", not paying you attention, when you try to touch negative reaction... On ugly sets sometimes i open them to show that i am fun, to warm up and get social momentum or as a bait to the hotter sets, example i dance and open a set of 6 or whatever they get all exited(careful sometimes the 6 start clinging, stalking and shit like that) then open another one, then the target set( they will be less likely to reject since they think i am just a sociable dude).. But very unusual for me to do that, as i said i go to the club and in warm up time before 12.30 i analyse logistics while i am outside of the dancefloor dancing and talking to my friends, getting warmed up, to see the girls that are my type first, from there i see if she is with a guy, the cockblocks etc... Then i open, if after with every song the buying temperature is not rising or i do not get compliance when i escalate i eject...

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here is a good lay report by kiwibro, using club game:

here-vp619392.html#619392

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The last sentence is correct, while the first isn't. You're just calling terms in here.
Define "Rejection" for me Matt, and then think about what you closed off with. Firm your answer, think about it.
I like the attitude behind it, because sport is important. BUT comparing PU with sport, or even giving it an equal status is completely wrong. Since when do we "objectify" women?

What is a "sport"? TO me, it is that you wish to achieve something, a goal. Your goal shouldn't be to achieve the girl, your goal should be completely different.

And why is there 'competition'? If you get along, you get along.. else, no problem. But defining this as a competition means that you are in a hurry, trying to achieve and putting in all your effort to get there. = WRONG.

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Lyrical Dream You cannot be the judge of anyone's goals. If you're goal is to fuck 100 girls, than that is your task. There's no right or wrong. I think what Matt is trying to say here when he says that pick up is like a sport is this:

Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win (Sometimes you get the girl, sometimes you don't)

If you dont shoot, you're never going to score. (If you dont approach, your never going to close)

If you miss a shot, no problem there's always the next play. (Don't take rejection seriously, there are 20 other girls in the club or millions in the world)

During a game, you have multiple tactics and strategies (In pick up, there are multiple methods and multiple ways to get women in bed)

So you see? You can find a lot of similarities between sports and pick up..

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What is the most important ASSET IN CLUB GAME? well thanks for asking... The right answer is TIME. No need for mental masturbation, i will repeat what i said on rejection:

I get rejected every night i go out, everybody gets rejected, is part of the game, the way i see rejection is "i am not wasting my time, she is doing me a favor saving me time so i can spend it with a girl that is into me" just make sure other women did not happen to see it, cause it will be harder to open even if you are their type do to women group mentality, why she rejected him, monkey see monkey do, there most be something wrong with the dude, so you go to another part of the club, were women less likely to see the incident if it was a blown out... But rejection in club game is subtle if you know what you are doing vs blown out... she gives you the hint in many ways: slowing down the dancing as you approach or stopping, moving away or leaving the dancefloor, Hugh dancing her friend, saying: "she is with me or my gf", not paying you attention, when you try to touch negative reaction

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I know for a fact that that isn't Matt's goal.
Wether or not you get the girl, should be irrelevant. PU is a side-task of a whole larger plan.
I agree.
True except the 'rejection' part.. still need to work on chosing that word more carefully.
Are there multiple tactics and strategies? I only see complications rather then normal behaviour.


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Normal behaviour? What normal behaviour are you talking about? The majority of guys don't even know the normal behaviours that a man needs to adopt in order to attract women. There are no complications..you can decide if you want to complicate your life or not. For example, on one hand you have Mystery who goes indirect and doesnt show interest and on the other hand you have someone like 60 year challenge who is direct in the first minute of the interaction. It has been proven by many guys that both work..however it is up to you and what fits your style to adopt one of these methods, maybe even change it to your advantage or even create your own way of interacting with women based on your experience. Please man, you cannot tell me there arent tools that help you with women but just normal behaviour. Do you go out on a regular basis?? Watch 90% of guys in a club or a bar..you'll see how their "normal behavior" creeps the hell out of 90% of girls in the place. Yes there are what you can call "tactics". I got friends who get girls with a different approach than me..yet both mine and his gets us results. So yes there are different ways you can attract beautiful women in your life

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You said it yourself, they both work. Simply because they are based upon a same general principle. Aside from all the sham and small talk they both propagate.
You got to be kidding me?
Ways, yes! Definitly. Strategies and tactics, no. There aren't.

People really need to stop looking at this from the wrong perspective.

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I thought this was a club game threat, can we get back on topic,..Anyways, I recommend watching this dude videos some good stuff, some weak stuff, i got his book, not impress by it was a waste of my money, but these are his 10 mistakes, he is right on point:




[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crITPs-V-bE[/youtube]

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Rejection... I could probably try and give you what I think is the right definition of rejection, but I wont.

In fact, what is rejection? There are many form of rejection. Sometimes you may think you are getting rejected while you are not and she is just texting you. Sometimes, she is not in a good mood and she is just not feeling like talking to strangers.. Some rejections are partial, and it you work a little bit more on the girl, she will be into you while other rejections can be really harsh or rude.

No matter how you get rejected, after a while everyone will realize that it's no big deal. It's just another interaction with another human being, and this is basically what life is. No matter who you are and what you do, you will never be liked by everybody. So why would I be mad or sad if someone doesn't like me?

First of all, I don't agree with your definition of what is a "sport". Indeed, sometimes when you are playing a sport, you want to achieve something, a goal. But let's not generalize. For example, I was stuck with the worst team of the league during my last hockey season. We lost almost every game (with ridiculous scores, such as 16-1 and etc.), but still, we would still show up every game and play. Why? Not because we wanted to achieve a goal, we knew we would lose. We were showing up because we wanted to have fun! And even if we were losing, we were having fun together and we were enjoying our time! Which I think is what pick up should be all about.

During cold winter days, I can go to the park, shoot pucks and play with kids for hours... Not to achieve anything, just to have fun. I go to clubs with the same mentality I go to hockey game or even to the park. To have fun.

Other than that, I think that Valentyn pretty much understood what I meant by comparing pick up to a sport.

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