Simply, is there a difference? I was married for a long time, allthroughout my 30s (I'm 37 now) and I have been getting back out there. I have been having some success, but sometimes I'm not sure how to act. I'm getting mixed reactions sometimes.

For example, I went out with a woman close to my age (maybe even older) about a month ago, we had a nice time, but she didn't see it going anywhere, which is fine, I'm cool with that; I mean we met on a Monday night after a long weekend, I kind of wanted to keep it chill, maybe it was too chill. I didn't really flirt with her that much, but a little, I want to know more for women I meet who I really will like.

Young girls in their 20s seem to be into the same lines, for lack of a better word, that I remember, but being a little older you just don't act as much of an idiot. I guess I'm thinking too much that girls my age or close to always want to be serious. I picked up a smoking hot! chick my age, actually a year older, a very prominent business woman and I was coming up with some outlandish cocky stuff, but it worked! I was shocked, closed the deal first date (I'm not sure what's going on now with that, if anything, but at this point, who cares).

I actually like being flirtatious, but I'm a very moody person, meaning simply I might shut down and be a little too careful or shy around women sometimes, not that I'm a jerk or anything like that.

But is there a way I should conduct myself with girls in their 20s vs. girls in their 30s is my question? Am I overthinking this? I would like to get married again some day and I don't want to meet a girl one day I really like and she thinks I'm just not serious.

Stu.

Sorry to respond to my own text, but I forgot something, its kind of another topic. When this other girl told me the typical line, "X, I think you're a great guy, but I don't see us going past friends," which kind of annoys me because you obviously don't think I'm great guy and you don't want to be friends. I simply wrote back first, "well, you really don't know me that well, but ok." But then I had a thought, and sent another message, which is actually a true predicament. Let's see if this girl really wants to be my friend...it starting, "actually I could use your advice"

Sum up, another girl I'm starting to date is a young, smoking HOT Domincan girl (27)...with a three yeard old kid though. I gave her the whole background and my question for her as a woman, well, first, have you ever dated anyone with kids because I haven't and if she could give me some insight as to perhaps the motivation or eagerness to settle down of single moms, what to expect?

(was that a good move?)

Stu

People generally change with age, yes. Different generations are different, yes. I find woman maturing each year. I'm young though.

Well, if you weren't friendzoned before - you are now. On a positive side note though, if she sees you as a very sexual being, she might want to fuckbuddyzone you.

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Use the same game for any age. Single women in their 30's fall in three big categories: a. the eternal insane ones b. the ones who had an insane ex and are just looking for a normal LTR c. the streetwise ones who can flirt perfectly

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There's a big difference brother. Add in culture, social background, educational attainment, earning capacity and so on. There are some common things with 20s vs 30s though.

This is a generalization in the context of my PUA operations. I still don't consider myself a skillful PUA but I plan to get there. My best game so far is I f-k closed a HB9 17 year old (who lied about her age) within 3 hours after we first met. It takes several months though for me to f-k close on the average. My rejection rate is still high so please factor that in when you evaluate this information. I also do day game. I don't sarge girls in night clubs and bars.

20s Chicks vs 30s Chicks

• 1. 20s chicks have endless energy, 30s chicks tire easily
  
  2. 20s chicks need wide rapport, 30s chicks need deep rapport. This means that if your rapport routine is too long, you lose the attention of the 20s chick. One or two short sentences go well with 20s chicks. On the other hand, 30s chicks tend to go for deep rapport with probing questions. 80% she talks about herself and 20% you talk about yourself is just about the conversation ratio. In short, you listen more and talk less.
  
  3. 20s chicks seldom talk about sex but the ones who do will ask you to test your "expertise". I'm in my 40s by the way. 30s chicks can easily talk about sex after you've built enough comfort and rapport.

That's as far as I can remember. But, hey, you have a great idea that we need to document so others like us can benefit from the info.

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Oh, thanks Swedish guy, I can careless if I'm in friendzone with this one or not, she was at the bottom of my list anyway...getting back into the game though, I'm eperimenting I guess so I will date some women or even give them more of a chance than I haven't in the past. The story I sent her is true. I actually would like her input....trust me, there's no contest with this cute little Domincan piece of ass and this 40 year old boring lawyer...and yes, I wanted to mess with her a little bit...

I'm 26 near 27 and I have the highest success rate with 33 year olds for some reason!

I don't act serious with the older ones I just act myself! Everyone likes to laugh...

I've always been mature for my age regarding personality. That might be helping.

I've found that girls my age that want to be mature assume you need an older guy to achieve this. While the older ones want a bit of fun and youth back in their life/vagina

Then again Ive never fully worked out why the older ones like me! I get approached by older women more than all my mates!

I'm mid-20's but have my portion of experience with women in their 30's and you're correct. They are quite into talking but are also far more straightforward. Girls in their 20's are game if you go hard, women in their 30's are game because they are and all you have to do is listen to her jibber jabber.

That's some good insight Hellhound. I definitely would not consider myself a PUA expert, but I do quite well from time to time. I find girls like business sometimes, its good and bad in spurts. Sometimes I feel really confident with myself, other times, like today even I don't. A client gave his condo up in Vermont and I can't find any ladies to go with me?! I realize its short notice, but still.

I'm starting to get back into kind of flirtatious side I had, or used to have. I was married/committed for a long time (marriage was 2 1/2 yrs, but we were together exclusively for almost 7). So, the last time I was seriously "gaming" I was in my late 20s, that's almost 10 yrs ago.

I also think I don't do well with blindates, unless the girl is really outgoing, I just rarely feel it. Then I start questioning my weight and looks (I am far from fat, I've completed four marathons, I'm active, etc.) and we all know what happens when we start feeling unsure of ourselves, it comes out in our body language.

What I'm gathering from all of your insights, and even some of my own is, just because a girl is older (or this case my age) you don't need to be too conservative or stern. I can be myself. I think I might have brought this story up in another thread, but it is relative to this post....One of my biggest conquests was a VERY attractive alpha, power business woman. Damn, I essentially linkedin stalked her and whe she accepted my invite, I just literally went for broke, literally something like, thanks for the connection, but frankly, I just think you're one of the most breathtaking women I ever seen, and while we can talk business, I'd much rather meet you for a drink" When she responded, and we started with banter, which lead to drinks, and closing the deal that very day, I was....shocked....

I guess my point, women don't want a boy, but they still want to have fun with ya, regardless of age..

Hello brother.

Let's expound on some insights.

20 chicks have endless energy. 30s chicks tire easily


Researchers know for a fact that women are attracted to dominant (not domineering) men. One area where girls subconsciously pick up on your dominance or non-dominance is your energy level.

Since 20s chicks have endless energy, you'll need to have MORE energy than they do to show (not tell) your dominance. When you succeed in showing a higher energy level than what they have, you spark sexual attraction. You don't get friend zoned. You become lover material at the back of their subconscious.

This is the reason why several 30s chicks (cougars) are more attracted to younger men. On the other hand, several younger women are attracted to older men due to a show of dominance in their body language since older men become more confident as they have learned to manage their fear of rejection.

When women don't want you as a lover and don't want you as a friend either, then you have failed to show dominance AND failed to build rapport. Building rapport with 20s chicks is DIFFERENT compared with building rapport with 30s chicks. I'll explain this later since I've got to work on something.

Bye brothers and good luck.

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...some great insight...

20s chicks need wide rapport. 30s chicks need deep rapport.

One crucial fact that we need to consider with rapport is that the verbal component is just a small part of the rapport building process. It's mostly non-verbal.

Rapport is that harmonious vibe between two people or between one PUA and a set of girls. What we should remember with the rapport building process is that male-to-male rapport dynamics is different from female-to-female rapport dynamics. Most importantly, male-to-female and/or female-to-male rapport building have different dynamics. Let's summarize that in a list.

Types of Rapport Building Dynamics

• 1. Male-to-male
  
  2. Female-to-female
  
  3. Male-to-female
  
  4. Female-to-male

Kino Rapport

You'll notice that in male-to-male rapport dynamics, close buddies will punch one another on the arm or at the abdomen. There's also that back slap and strong high five. You get the idea. Guys shouldn't use that kind of kino rapport with girls. Guys have to play the male gender role.

Female-to-female rapport dynamics is also different. While one girl is talking, the other girl will touch the hand of the talking girl, hold it and then nod a lot. When girls see each other, they kiss on both cheeks or do left-right shoulder hugs. They're playing their female gender role. A guy who punches a woman in the abdomen is not building rapport with that woman. In the same manner, a woman who greets you with left-right shoulder hugs or left-right kisses on the cheeks has basically placed you in the friend-zone. She considers you gay. It simply means that you're playing the female gender role instead of the male gender role.

Hint: When you're playing the male gender role in kino rapport building with women, you'll subconsciously convey to the woman that you're lover material. If you're playing the female gender role in kino rapport building, then you've just placed yourself in the friend zone. Just look at how a gay friend will kino his lady friends. You get the idea. At the back of a woman's subconscious, you're gay when you play the female gender role. You lose sexual attraction points-- FAST.

We will discuss the remaining two types of rapport building dynamics some other time, okay?

Convo Rapport

Conversation rapport among men will have the following masculine phrases:

• 1. "I see..."
  
  2. "Logically, ..."
  
  3. "I think..."

Conversation rapport among women will have these phrases:

• 1. "I feel..."
  
  2. "OMG!" or "Oh my God! Oh my God!"
  
  3. "I'm sorry that..."
  
  4. "I'm sorry to hear that."

Good conversation rapport between opposite sexes will typically have this phrase: "I understand..."

The general idea is that when you build rapport using your male gender role, you will have immediately positioned yourself as a lover. When you build rapport using the female gender role, you'll get friend zoned.

We will discuss wide kino rapport and wide convo rapport some other time.

Ciao brothers.

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