Hey guys,
I've posted a couple of times here about this girl that I took out a couple of times. I hadn't kiss-closed so we were steering towards the friends zone.
I had made it kind of clear that I was into her but she hadn't taken up the opportunity. Anyway, so I went out with friends and met up with her and her friends last night. Well one of her friends was literally all over me and cornered me a couple of times.
I spoke to another girl in the group and made my position clear (that I was into the girl that I took out) but she told me that she didn't think she felt the same way.
So drunkenly I decided (what the hell) to go for it.
So I kissed her friend (a few times). Apparently she looked on quite a bit and was a bit annoyed / upset about it.
So I went to talk to her for a minute after and said 'all you want from me is friendship, right? nothing more?' she said yes and we should still hang out.
However my friends think she isn't being honest.
So I dunno what to think.
I'm not going to take things forward with her friend (I possibly could've f-closed her but didnt) but would like to meer her (the girl Im into) again.
Any advice on what to do?
Sorry if this is a boring / AFC story but I'm a total AFC.

Thanks in advance,
RP82

You said "she hadn't taken up the opportunity" for kiss-closing, did I read that properly? If so, you need to understand that it's ALL on you. You need to be the one to initiate the kiss. Don't hold back, just do it.

I also think it was a mistake to approach her and ask if all she wants to be is friends. What did you really expect her to say when you put her on the spot like that? And even more, why do you think she'd want you after you kissed her friend right in front of her when you've technically been going out on dates with her this whole time? You made her feel shitty. Not jealous, but shitty.

But, all is not lost. You still have a chance. Call her up, take her out, and fucking kiss her at some point. Maybe even twice. Hell, make out with her. Kino. Do it all. And more importantly, heed the advice I wrote here for future reference.

^Solid Advice. I second that.

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Thanks Snarg,
Yes I feel like a total mug / AFC today.
Yes I basically told her I liked her but didn't get the same response.
I had her over in my place on a date before but she wasn't very responsive and gave herself a good distance on the couch from me so I read that as an IOD.
I should've gone for it with her last night or before then.
Yes I feel bad too - that's something I'd never thought I'd do to a girl I liked.
Thanks - I will call her up and try to make amends - it's going to be awkward but I'll have to put my balls on the line.
Hopefully she'll be willing to go out with me after I was with (& kinda led on her friend). I've learned a lesson but hopefully it's not too late!

What were you doing at your house? Were you two watching movies? If so, that would have been a good time to hold your arm up and say "come here" and have her get really close to you. It's not necessarily an IOD if she doesn't do that automatically; she's probably just shy.

Women are like spiders. We might be afraid of them, but they're even more afraid of us. Fuck me was that a bad analogy.

Hahaha yeah maybe you're right. I did ask her if she wanted to move closer and she said she was fine were she was so v.confusing!
I'd asked her over (I cooked for her too) to watch movies. This was the 2nd proper date after I'd taken her out for dinner the week before.
I probably already know the answer... but would it be a really bad thing to do to text/SMS her tonight and apologise for last night?
What do you think is the best thing to do.. would you wait a few days then text / call her? Would you ask her out automatically or wait and see what her response is like?
Damn - sorry for all the questions!!

Don't apologize, just give her a few days then feel free to get in touch with her and have her go out with you. No harm done that way. She'll have forgotten all about it by then, anyway.

Thanks dude - hope you're right!
I'll post my progress (being optimistic) here

Looking forward to it. Good luck!

You don't ask a girl if she wants to move closer to you, you just get up and move closer to her. As the man 9 times out of 10 your going to have to take the initiative with women. Stop depending on her to decide on wether she likes you or not. Just pretend she does and she'll act accordingly.. People like people who like them.

As for making out with the friend, it could of been a good idea but you ruined by going over to ask the girl if she is sure she just wants to be friends. Now had you made out with the friend, had a great time and treated your target just as a friend she would of been texting you angry text messages the next day which can easily lead to sex.

Just give her space for now, Work on yourself, women are only going to confuse you if you worry about them this much.

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Thanks for the feeback Fuze,
I had planned on contacting her this week...
Would you go against Snarg's advice?
Would you recommend I not contact her?
I'm thinking of calling her tomorrow / Wednesday

If you are prepared mentally which I don't see in your post its ok to call her. Because you will be able to handle the shit she throws at you. However because your a bit inexpirenced I suggest waiting it out.

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Hey guys,
Could now REALLY do with some help.
So I called and couldn't get through so left a message.
She ended up SMS'ing back to say she didn't think it was a good idea to meet up but 'thanks anyway'.
Sheesh... I kind of expected a cold response... but what does this indicate.. that she potentially likes me or that she's just pissed at me?
Also, how can I recover from this?
Any / all PUA advice appreciated!!!!

OK - so more of an update.
Plus more advice needed .. it's gotten into a text exchange and I'm paraphrasing a bit to take out the 'in-jokes'...

The VM I left:
Hey it's me, how're you doin? Do you want to meet for a drink this week?

Texts:
Her: Hi. I'm really good - thanks for the message.
About going out, I dont think its a good idea but thanks for offering

Me: Why not, have you given up going out for lent?

Her: No LOL but I still think its not a good idea.
Not much has happened (to catch up on) since the weekend.
but if theres anything I can help you with (like my friend Alice's number),
just ask me, its no problem

Me: Thanks offering.
Alice and I had a good time but I'm not looking for anything serious with her.
About going out - its just drinks, no date.

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That's where I left it off - any advice guys (please!)?

She's just not interested at all. Pressing the issue will only make things worse, so don't bother continuing the conversation at this point. She said she doesn't think it's a good idea because that's the polite way of saying "I'd rather not go out on a date with you".

How about Alice, then? Or one of her other friends? Clearly this girl is fine with helping you get with one of her friends, so give that a shot.