What are peoples thoughts on going out gaming drunk vs sober? I always go out to the clubs drunk but just recently seeing how a lot of the best guys seem to just get 'in state' then go sober Im thinking of going that route. Thoughts, Opinions.....?

My waitress knows the routine. She sees my wing and I walk in and its two sprites with Grenadine three cherries and a small mixed drink straw in a glass. I use the cherries to feed targets as a test and it looks like I'm drinking... but I stay totally sober. I only drink if I'm not out to game. My game goes to shit with alcohol. I'm a fun drunk but I'm to open and always get diarrhea of the mouth. LOL

One of the best thing I've done for my night game, is getting good with the hottest waitress at my favorite club. She actually works as my wing a lot! And it helps she knows what we drink. We don't have ask... it gets awkward when your like "oh I'll take a sprite..." Plus when she walks by she is always like "hey Austin" (Austin is my alter ego I use at bars knows this). She randomly throughout the nite comes up and chats, hugs me, kisses my cheek ext. She is awesome to add social proof and value. She knows our routine and we have taught her to play along. Helps to have the hottest girl in the club be so personal with you... she is always the hottest one there and all over us. We're actually now friends outside the club... but due to her knowing me a little to well my game doesn't work on her. LOL

Depends how good at gaming you are and how much you drink. If you are good with this and you are not way to hammered you do all right. But until you develop that calibration go sober.

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Few drinks will get you in the mood to sarge. At least, if you had some drinks you will care less about rejection, and therefore approach more and have fun! If you get drunk and hammered, you will not even know what you are doing and it will definitely screw your game!

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Not really, personally when i drink i get into the mood and become more fun .. Maybe being a pua is about not depending on alcohol, but still I do enjoy drinking it and and it improves my game anyway

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Jezzzz, no AFC has turned in one day into a machine like Hypnotica. Alcohol up to some extend is ok. Be aware that you loose some learning curve and you are not at the moment as much as before. However when you never approached a HB10 then drink some alk. Then approach. The learning outcome: A HB10 does not bite and is no superstar. Next time: Repeat it sober and your fine.

When you are out there and want to fuck girls desperately then you are lost. When you are out there and having fun, socialize with everyone and game some girls. Wheres the problem with that?

I just recently went cold turkey on the drinking ^_^ ... But, go check out Tyler Durden on RSDN forum ... he says that people who drink they are in state for the first 2 hours of the night ... while Sober people get into state later on ...

Plus if you go out like 7 days a week like the really good PUAs ... drinking everyday is what we call being an alcoholic ... You know drinking on a tuesday? That doesn't seem right ^_^ ...

But, drink in moderation ... have a beer every hour ... drink till you get loosey goosey but don't get to drunk ... or else you get tired a lot easier and get whisky dick if you go to far...

Hope that helped...

But, you must have a strong reality when people question you for not drinking ... just laugh it off or ignore it ...

The benefits are ... you don't get whisky dick ... and you don't anchor your confidence or fun or happiness on liquid courage ... It's all you baby ... core confidence, self amused ... that shit is the true natural!

Not judging the drinkers now ^_^!

Sincerely,

Donston

PS: Alcohol kills brain cells ^_^ ... hahah

A lot of gurus advise against drinking.

Personally, I found alcohol to be a pretty good social lubricant for me, however. Women get drunk so they can get and state–why can't you?

The ideal that you want to strive for is to get your game to a point where you don't need alcohol to get and state. This is an ideal though, and the proof that you've mastered your health as well as your game.

But if you're not at that point yet, and alcohol is effective in getting you in state, then drink. Just don't drink so much that you fall in to old habits, or you are unable to perform in bed if you do pull.

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Firstly, very drunk, no use at all.

Secondly, a few drinks would be used to get you into a confident mindset. You have a few beers and you're confident to go and chat to anyone, however good looking, however important, whatever.

I would say the first major thing that any pick up needs to aspire for is to be able to get into that confident "few drinks" state withOUT alcohol. You're not going to be able to do this straight away, unless you're very sure of yourself, confident and social.

So should you have a couple of drinks? Well, I'd say sometimes yes and sometimes no. If you ALWAYS have a drink, then you're not proving to yourself that you can do it sober. And when you do it sober, even if it's not great at first, you feel good about yourself for actually having the balls to do it, which in turn improves your confidence. So you're getting more experience and confidence, both of which are extremely important.

In saying that though, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a few beers on occasion and letting the alcohol do the hard work for you so to speak. As long as it's in moderation!!

Thanks for the replies. I was watching tyler durden from RSD game and that's one of the main reasons I wanted to stop drinking. Seeing him get into state and game so well was pretty inspiring. Also being able to go out 7days a week without becoming an alcoholic would be fantastic . Not to mention much cheaper too

Guys..are you really this weak? Relying on alcohol to talk to a woman? Guys who drink on the purpose of using it as a crutch to open sets and game during the night are non-dominant men. They are so fear and full of shit..that they actually need something else than they're mouth to talk to a member of the opposite sex. Of course you'll never improve in this area of your life..why?? Because it fucks your inner game as hell! Outer game is like 20% of all the pick up. The game starts in your mind. This mindset of drinking to talk to girls is more than destructive to your inner game. You are relying on something that's not you..you're clearly not dominant and even if you get a number. Because you're such a pussy and your dominance level is soo fucking low..when you will see the girl on a day 2, you will not only express cues of a non-dominant man which will decrease her level of attraction towards you..but you will be scared as shit. You will hesitate pulling the trigger..you wont pull the trigger and you will go home cry like a little bitch asking yourself why didn't you do it? Your confidence level just goes down and you will get even more the feeling of being a pussy. Which re-starts the cycle. Drink to talk to girls..this is insane man you only need one part of your body: your mouth. I can see why my game is constantly improving. I'm becoming more dominant with each week while you guys drink to become pussies. Keep up the good work!

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Not bad advice. But at the same time, picking up chicks and going out to bars and clubs should be about FUN. If you're going out with some friends, have some damn drinks if you want. "No, sorry no alcohol for me, I'm not out to have fun, I'm out to game girsl". You'd sound like an idiot. Have a few drinks if you want, but DON'T get drunk. There's a difference between drinking and getting drunk. Learn the difference.

I have a few friends who know I study this stuff. they have also watched me make it work. The problem being that when they ask me to go with them to "pick up chicks" they end up hiding in the corner drinking and sending me to approach every woman in the joint. This leads to me drinking with them and my game turning to garbage LOL.