goal: k-close

How would the process look like ? Some say there should be a different approach to different girls but there should be a pattern of things what to do.. for example

-first you build comfort
-after and hour or after you built enough comfort you start to kino...

etc.

I want to make a checklist, if I fail at the first date , I want to be able to look at the checklist and see where I messed up.

Any ideas ?

There's nothing that exact, dude. There are a hundred things that can go right, a hundred that can go wrong. Here are some things I keep in mind when I'm one on one with a chick.

1. Keep the manners basic. I'll hold a door open, walk the girl arm in arm if things to well, and perhaps buy the first drink if it isn't the first time we've met. Any more and it always feels like you're rewarding her just for agreeing to see you. That's bad.

2. Kino escalation ladder by vin dicarlo is golden on how to approach physicality. And the physical element is the different between the guy she calls and complains about men to and the guy she fucks when she's done saying all guys are dogs.

3. Turn your damn phone off. Nobody likes a date who's texting.

4. Figure out the logistics for sex beforehand. Do you have a car? Do either of you live close by? Do you have a bottle at your place? How about a dog? How about ANYTHING to give her a reason to come back to your place for plausible deniability? Do you have condoms?

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First rule: Don't think about any advice except for 2 word phrases.

Things like this aren't helpful: "She gave me a shit test, so now I have to punish her. I'll stop talking for a minute. Alright now shes trying to qualify herself..."

Things like this are helpful: "Touch her." "Pay attention." "Opportunity. Go!"

(The Opportunity I'm speaking of is the kiss moment. This is created with eye contact.)

Second rule: Stop looking for more advice. Have confidence in your own value, your own ability to seduce her. Know that you deserve this girl, because you are a high value man. This things are natural when you aren't faking something.

Of course natural way is best, however sometimes I have a hard time pinpointing where I messed up.. sometimes it seems I gave to much attention, sometimes I didn't show social value, sometimes I didn't kino enough or acted seductive. I thought the checklist would give me a quick insight where I blew.

Look up Mystery Method if you want that sort of very structured game. Otherwise you'll have to make mistakes and learn how to avoid them afterward.

yes, "structured game" is the expression I was looking for

you make a check list, you're setting yourself up for failure. What will determine your success is how well you can stay in the moment (aka 'being present'). Not a laundry list of items or stages you mentally checkoff.

I want to pull it of naturally , but use this for my post game analasys

Have you had a real experience with a girl since starting this thread? By "real" I mean a date, at least 3 approaches, or a kiss close?

If not, you need to stop worrying about analysis and start working.

Yes, on Friday in fact.. We can view her as a lab mouse.. Three weeks ago I went out with the intent of getting a girl using structured game.. First to get her the number, then to go out and meet her better, then go out again and k-close.. So on Friday was the k-close part.. I repeat again, I used a structured game, but made it very natural looking. Next part is the f-close but that may be a little tricky because of logistical problems. Anyway, the current structured game I use (its quite loose actually and I improvise a lot) made me see the mistakes I made before entering the game. Not kinoing, resisting the kiss etc.

Now, since I gave you the back story you might give a tip on the following.. After having quite a romantic night with the girl, for "political" reasons I wish not to specify I think of keeping her a bit. I shall still date other girls ofc. Anyway, if lets say I want a relationship with her.. It wouldn't a "formal" relationship but you know.. some kind of f-buddies. I'm not sure how to pull it off exactly since we see each other only during the weekends.. I want her to come after me and seem needy.. I will invite her to go out one more time but after that I want her to stick to me like a fly for some time.. tips ?