I went out last night with a couple of friends. My aim wasn't to sarge really, but if the opportunity arose i would. (Still have quite a bit of AA)

We were in a club and saw a hot girl in Leather leggings (Great invention). Well i didn't follow the 3 second rule (TWAT) and we were about to leave, and i was kinda deflated annoyed at myself that i didn't do anything. So we were then going out off the door and i thought: "Man the fuck up, it isn't difficult" So i said to my mates, give me 2 secs and walked up to her and went direct with. "Hey, I think you look fucking sexy" She thanked me.. as we were in a rush to go i just said. " Listen i have to go, so put your number in here (My phone) She then went all snobbish and said " Nah, But i'll have a photo with you" I was thinking to myself "I don't think so love" So i just said calmly "No thanks" " It's Number or nothing" She looked at me shocked thinking did he just refuse a photo? I then smiled and said "Your loss" (In retrospect the Your loss thing wasn't needed) and walked out. I think i could of said with the photo thing, Yea, then give her my phone and get her to take a picture of me and my mates, not her. I would of found that comical.

I understand that there was a slim chance of getting the number without building comfort or anything, but we were in a rush to get out, and i just wanted to at least approach once even if it was a failure.

How many women have you encountered like this?? And what could i have done better?

Thanks for reading this guys.

Happy Gaming!

With this particular HB, she gave you a hoop and you DIDNT GET A PICTURE!! Are you kidding, at least if you couldnt close her you could get a pic with a HB in your arm. Kino is automatic with pics so you definitely should have done that. She may have wanted to give your #, but you didnt earn it. If that happened to me, which it wouldnt cause I dont game like that, it would have went something more like this.

HB: you cant have my # but, we can share a pic
SK: okay, but you cant grab my ass or Ill make a funny face.
HB: lol

Then take the pic with arms wrapped around each other.
5
SK: wow, now I can show my friends the HB who rejected me last night.
(Say this as cocky funny as hell so she knows its a joke)
HB: haha
SK: it would be even better if they could meet you sometime, Ill wear my leather pants next week if you quite pretending you dont like me. (Teasing)
HB: u dont have those. (Shit test)
SK: your right, smart and sexy, (high five) whats ur # for real this time.
HB: xxx-xxx-xxxx

I understand where your coming from, I'm not that witty YET. The way she said it sounded like she was up her on arse. The dialogue you have written is hoping she laughs at these jokes and it all goes well.

Thanks For your response SLIPKNOT

You've helped me out alot mate

you have to get used to just not caring, kill your ego big time, go on a rejection diet, you need it, live breathe sleep and eat, rejection, it is not important at all, the outcome involved from a girl to girl basis is of minor importance, what is important is your sex life, how often would you like to get laid, how long do you want to go from girl to girl without sex?, how many girls do you want to juggle at one time, what sort of quality of girl would you like to be sleeping with

you don't have a tight game going on right now, by the sounds of it you have difficulty just throwing out an soi, you have to live in a place of discomfort, welcome it, welcome the anxiety, welcome to fail, embrace it

do things that are not going to work, just to show yourself that you are not going to die just because you did or said them

if a girl is not interested, cool, who cares, no reason to diss her, no reason to get mad, if you had of done that at the start of the night, you could have gone up to 30 more girls and done the same thing and tried to get further then a phone number, consider a girl who is not compliant as a saving grace, not an enemy, she is saving you time, soooo much better to be rejected in the first minute then 2 weeks later with no lay to show for it

GOOD LUCK

Pumpington Thanks for your Advice, Could you expand on my difficulty giving SOI's, and how to improve that, How can i tighten my game?. I wasn't bitter at all about her rejecting me, If truth be told it made my night better, because i know i gave it a go.

I'd be very greatful for more advice

Happy Gaming

chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-vt75887.html

you can either read the compliance ladder from the link above, or go google vin dicarlo escalation ladder, what ever you want, but when you're not comfortable with escalation, just start with some sort of linear road map

it has two functions, to test how compliant she is (what her bt is at)
and to raise her physical comfort/bt

give each girl a good 15-30 minutes of work, start off just being social, try to look for friendly girls, if a girl seems friendly, soi her, do the same thing you did, you know what, you're fucking sexy, then try to figure out a good 5-10 things you like about her besides the way she looks (you can even use the old MM line, but there has to be more, tell me something that you have going on for you more then your looks... there has to be more!!), etc. etc., make sure you let her know you like those things about her, start screening her for if she is cool, (and actually screen boring girls suck) see if you have shit in common, while simultaneously testing compliance, the compliance she gives will tell you how available to you for sex she is, and screening her will tell you how compliant towards you, and how much actual chemistry you could possibly have with her (I know you probably just want the fucky fucky, but you will regret hooking up with a boring hottie that sucks to be around, if you are looking for more then just a one night thing, sounds crazy, I know but it tends to hold true)

try to shoot for a good 5 approaches every time you go out minimum, and try to go out as much as you can

realize that a girl that doesn't want to talk to you after opening directly, just did you a favor, because you don't have to talk to her for the next 15 minutes and reach a compliance threshold below kissing to realize you just wasted 15 minutes

don't make out with girls at the club unless you plan to try to sleep with them that night, just keep it at a few kisses with no tongue and future plans to go out on a date somewhere fun (try to sleep with them on the date)

GOOD LUCK

I don't mean to be harsh, but writing about your rejections probably means you haven't tried enough. I have plenty of stories where I went up to girls, and they hated seeing me, and I had to leave within a couple minutes. They aren't fun, but you're right, knowing you gave it a go is a good feeling.

I've found (this number is completely arbitrary and what state I'm in changes it entirely) that at a club where I don't know ANYONE, it takes me about 5 blow-outs before I get a solid set. This number decreases incredibly quickly once I start moving to social circle game.

So next time start EARLIER, and you're more likely to get someone that you connect with.

Thanks Slip and Slide, I know, The AA is bullshit, I Was getting looks from about 5-10 different HB's (Kept looking over at me) And i fucked up (Whether that is normal or not is not known by me). Next time I'll try and start as soon as i get in the bar/ Club.

Thanks Pumpington for the link, it helped me out alot

Happy Gaming!

What you need to remember is that guys closed girls even before the game was invented. There are no absolute rules, only guidelines to help you avoid fucking up completely.

Meaning, you probably could have gotten a number off her, but the chance is very slim indeed. Especially since you rushed it and came off as a crazy guy.

You can get a number if you are meeting some criteria:
A. She is attracted
B. She feels comfortable around you
or
C. She is in control

A and B can be met even before you approach, maybe you are a top model and maybe you are her best friends cousin who she has heard a lot about. It is unlikely but not unheard of. Maybe you have caught her interest without talking to her and that may be enough.

But, then you walz up to her and immediately start giving her value, like every other loser she has met that night. (Showing that you are not actually any different from any other guy.) And then you immediately tell her to give you her number, you dont even take your time to introduce yourself or even build the slightest comfort. (You are showing her that you are desperate, you dont care about her at all. Not enough to even get her name, the only reason for you talking to her is what you said before, she is hot.) So she says no, like any sensible girl would. But just for the sake of the freakshow, she wanna have a picture of you. And you refuse (yes, good boy, well done!). But despite that one high in your game, you immediately give her an ultimatum, number or nothing. Of course she says, well then nothing.
You have no value to her and everything you have done so far has lowered whatever initial value you had and whatever chances you had. Even your passing her shittest got shot down by you giving her an ultimatum.

Dont take this the wrong way but this is exactly how a girl would see it. You were great until you opened your mouth and ruined it. You were being arrogant and needy instead of confident and arousing (which you could have been if you had just spent some moments building comfort.)

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Thanks Ezo, I should off introduced my self, but like a tool.... I Didn't, In retrospect i was way to outcome orientated (My friends were waiting for me), where in actual fact i should off just focused on the interaction. Thank you for pointing these terrible flaws out :L You live, You learn.


Happy Gaming!

No problems man!

I am sorry to point them out so bluntly but I felt like I had to get the point across. Better luck next time and I hope you didnt take it too hard, you are off to a good start.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

The blunter(

Your response is good, but OP did it well. First of all what the heck with that chick's attitude, it seemed like she though she was doing him some favor by posing for a picture with him. I would have went similar like Op or said something along the lines "why do I need a oicture with you" in the tone as if she offered me a bag of sand while standing in the desert

And it seems that you do not have enough self esteem if you think having a picture with some random HB you do not know is such a big deal to you. No offense intended