Haha i know no one answers questions on here! I more or less just ask them for myself, so i get thinking about them

I go do go out at night a little with about 8 girls and a guy (very hot girls who i live with but just friends as i live with them) but i dont really do any 'game' whilst out on these nights - nightgame is loud, im drunk so im stupid, AA is bad whilst im in clubs.

Books ive read, well i got into this through Mystery Method (terrible) then i went onto RSD, watched all that stuff, AFCAdam, Gunwitch, 60, Chief's outer game, 4EG. Ive read a lot, even TD's archive, ijjjji and 60's.

Mainly because i just like reading up on it and also because i couldnt find a style that suited me. When i started Daygame i was reading Nightgame stuff

Most beneficial - Sashapua and daygame.com!

I've had no real closes. I mean I've gotten a few numbers from girls around uni (3 in total) but ive always staled them out.

I've read that game is like a J curve in learning, i think Im coming to the big swoop finally though!

As now im starting to have enough confidence to make this apart of my life rather than something i do when i sarge. I've also had bad mindsets for sarging, like my mind was blown at how such a simple change will drastically increase my game.

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How about you? what do you do? Or are you just beginning?

Are you in England? I sound like a stalker but i may as well ask all the questions on one post

Sorry for the rant too, i write too much and should self edit mroe.

Oh the coffee shop opener. It's just stopping a girl in the street and saying:

"hey, do you know where the nearest starbucks is?"

"hey, im looking for the nearest coffee shop around here, i was wondering if you could help me"

"Hey. im looking for the nearest coffee shop around here, only im trying to avoid your regular starbucks and costa, im not exactly sure where im supposed to be looking. I was wondering if you could help me"

*The last one being done with lots of EC, smiling, and flirting - hence the elongation of a simple question.

I use it because i do daygame in the centre of one of the busiest streets in England and means directions aren't too hard to give (coffee shops are everywhere) so therefore you dont get stuck on the opener

BUT I'm only just starting to be able to properly get passed the opener. Although i had a 5-10minute conversation with a reallllly hot, tall polish blonde the other day

Wednesday 29th February 2012

Issues Addressed

- new social exercises
- confidence
- sleeping

Goal

Complete the 3 social exercises

SE1 - I constantly corrected my posture as i walked around and felt the confidence you feel and well being from just walking upright. My voice, as always. kept getting caught up and a frog in my throat and i noticed that my state and fun state left as my voice did.

I could pause more before speaking so i know my lungs will power a deep voice out.

SE2 - I eyed up any and every girl i saw about my day. I remember seeing 2 girls(not together but near) as i went into the entrance of uni and i just held EC and had a playful smile. Not sure if they were attracted but they definitely noticed. This made me feel good.

I could have given more girls good EC and a sly smile as im not saying anything but the occasional one that responds BOOM a girl without even having to do much game.

SE3 - i fucked up on this one, i did an allnighter the night before to sort my sleeping habit out and i was too tired to be outside so i could do my APPS as i went about my day.

SE4 - Didnt go into Manchester as i was too tired - like i couldnt make sense of what i was doing or even listen to music or watch a film. Friday though, ill get back into it and my timetable starts tomorrow when ive had a good nights sleep


Peace, i think everybody should do my exercises, they're great!

Cheers for your replies,

Sounds like your the opposite of me (you prefer day game to night game).

Also in response to your reply - yes definitely girls seem to judge you based on who your with.

You should really start gaming at night - drink a little less and once you've done a few openers it will really help your overall game.

In my newbie opinion the social pressure is a lot less in night game since girls are used to being approached (this can be both negative and positive).

Sticks

I meant more like, im with 5 of the girls im with which means im not in situations where i can go and speak to girls im stuck with them on dancefloors, at the bar etc

Or with a group of guys who sit talking at a table. Only a few people i know that i can actually do nightgame with which sucks as i could probably learn quicker in a bar/club.

I like your frame on nightgame being LESS pressure as other people are around! Its great!

I still have a really bad limiting belief about girls thinking im hitting on them, even though its the game! Hard to explain. Definitely going to be reading your journal. How often do you go out?

Friday 2nd February 2012

Issues Addressed

- waking up late
- good eye contact experience
- posture power!

Goals

Wake up before 10am and then do 4 social exercises.

Review

I woke up late - 3pm. What. The. Fuck. I will start waking up early and doing proper approaches, fuck opening and ejecting. From now on im starting and carrying on conversations and going for the close. Low pressure as i have no OUTCOME goals, just action based. I know I know nothing.

Social Exercise #1

1) On the toilet i notice i hunch over and when sitting down in general but its good as i correct it consistently

2) When in the shower i hunch over too when washing but i correct it too so its good!

3) when walking i remember noticing i am hunching but this is good as it means when i correct it i get that natural confidence from being upright and knowing i have a deep strong voice to rely on.

4) I know that if i correct this daily for a few months it will instill as a habit. Then i can move onto another habit This is what i plan to do with any social exercise.

Social Exercise #2

1) I only had a brief walk and didn't see many hot girls but i noticed that most people generally make eye contact with you and if they dont. So what?

2) a cute blonde girl on the phone walked passed we held EC as i smiled until we passed each other

3) same with another girl but this time she caught it a bit later as we walked passed but kept it until she broke it

4) i randomly saw David Shade's post about EC (Damn i thought i came up with it) and he confirmed my suspicions:

A) You must look as soon as you see her, even if she's 100miles down the road
B) Never break and look back - its gone forever
C) You can smile and say hi, although he recommends you wait for her to do it.

* its a great way to open i bet!! "Hey i really wanted to meet you. Im Cornishman"

Social Exercise #3

I woke up late so i couldnt really do this, although i should have made a few during my walk. No excuses!
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Tomorrow I am going Manchester for a SARGE and i will do 2 things: build state and then make a genuine approach/conversation Not allowed back till i do as i know its all about state and i have the skills to build/reach it.

Hey,

Although I don't update it after every night/day sarge keeping a journal provides me with a great motivational tool.

To be honest when you wrote about being stuck with guys at tables or with girls on dancefloors - these also sound like limiting beliefs - you need to be the one to change the situation.

How do I know this? Because I've had the same thoughts myself and it takes a real push to make it happen but it's easier than you think - just start a casual conversion with a girl next to you at the bar ect.

I go out twice a week once to a club, once to a pub (and day game once/twice a week max) although when I'm at the pub I too stick with my friends.

Responding to you has made me realise this is something I too could work on.

Looking forward to hearing how you get on in Manchester.

Stics

Hey, sticks11.

Stop tempting me with nightgame. . .or I might just do it

Where are you based? I think I might have asked you that before but what the hell!


Anyway, yeah you're right I'm just bitching; there is never a time when you CANT approach - a girl is there and you are there all you have to do is speak.

Once I've gotten daygame under my belt (Closing consistently) I will begin night game too with more confidence with my daygame skills.

MONDAY 05th MARCH 2012

Issues Addressed

- Sleeping problems
- State building problems and solutions

Goals

To complete social exercises 1-3

#1 - Posture
#2 - EC and smile every girl I see
#3 - Build state

Social Exercise #1

Although I didn't get any sleep due to a terrible sleeping pattern I'm trying to fix, i managed to mantain it. Whilst walking through Manchester I recorrected myself.

I felt like i wasn't paying enough attention to it though and on the train i was slouching as i stood. Lack of sleep definitely didn't help.

Social Exercise #2

I made EC with a shop assistant who broke it immediately only i felt her 'around me' more after, like turned to me and hovering around for a few minutes after. i think just like guys girls can accidentally break it off too.

By train station the same thing happened, only this time every time I looked at the girl she turned away. Multiple times.

Whilst sarging, i looked through to shops to EC Shop Assistants to keep up a little state.

A cute girl i saw around with her BF, I wasnt sure; she EC'd me for maybe 1 or 2 secs both times i saw her and quickly/jolted to look away. Same thing happened with a girl earlier on with her BF; either NOT INTERESTED and im reading too much into it or its like "heyyy who is HE, shit my Bf *turns away*"

Anyway, i think i EC'd a few more (most girls dont catch your eye) but i cant remember.

Social Exercise #3

I went Manchester to sarge and i got off at a quiet place and opened 2 really hot girls along the way to manchester city centre. They were really hot but they were quick opens for time/directions and on my way. I havent really done much for 2 months other than maybe 2 or 3 days.

This is my first proper day back in routine.

After that it took me an hour to open a girl in the city centre; my main fear being "other people around me". Nowadays its never to girl but people around me, i couldnt care less what she thinks of me. Its just other people LOL. Dont worry I've got a solution for this.

The girl I opened in the city centre was the least hottest yet I had the most nervous, quiet voice I couldnt even smile! I also had a really high pitched girly voice when doing it. Although i just repeated HEY rather than saying "excuse me", so good on me there.

My last approach was a REALLY hot blonde, i think polish, girl. Model hot. It was in a quieter place with fewer people around me. I should have complimented or made an observation but i didn't. Bad me.

Review

Okay here is my point. For SOCIAL EXERCISE #3, i must conquer my two worst fears. Social pressure (opening in crowded areas or in quieter areas where people can hear)

and. . .

UG's, i find it hard, if not impossible to open an ugly girl in general. Although its how i desensitised myself to it all, i can't do it anymore.

State means i need to be opening quickly and constantly; I cannot reach state if i dont open the hundreds of girls that are surrounded by other pedestrians in the street as they walk AND if i cant open unattractive people then my state is totally reliant upon speaking to hotties.

ALSO, note, I've realised I can open basically the hottest girls i want. If anything its easier. On my last approach i spent about a minute fussing over opening a HB6 who was in a quieter place than the HOT POLISH GIRL who i saw only 2 seconds after the HB6.

When I see a girl i would truly be proud to have and find totally sexy, i actually get motivation and excitement. Albiet i can only open, still its harder to approach an uglier girl.

Not that I can approach every super hot girl or don't bail or syke myself out of starting conversations with hotties.


So tomorrow my goals are:

5 hot girls in crowded areas
5 unattractive girls
1 guy

Wednesday 07th March 2012

Issues Addressed

- Not opening enough
- Not opening UG's

Goals

1)To approach 5 girls in crowded areas or places i normally wouldnt due to social/aa pressure.

2)To open 5 unnattractive girls

3)To open 1 guy

Social Exercise #1

I noticed whilst standing on the train that my posture has become naturally very straight. Also i don't want to become a caraciture of someone trying to be alpha like Johnny Dram from Entourage.

But i knew you have to be very corrective and disciplined to make sure you don't have BAD posture. Or you have to go to another extreme to for a while, so you can tone it down and relax

NEW Social Exercise #1

To stand/sit/walk relaxed and be as comfortable as possible. Also check up on posture straight-ness just in case. Its just whilst I THOUGHT i needed to straighten up, i looked in the mirror and it was already good. So obviously my posture is naturally good as of now.

Social Exercise #2

I had very few EC's with any girls today, I can remember one I THINK but can't even remember specifics just the fact it might of happened. Girls just generally didn't return it.

Move to noting eye colour next monday


Social Exercise #3 - Sarging/goals

I got into Manchester around 2:45 and saw my first girl at 3:05 as i asked her for the time. I didnt push further.

Then it seemed to take ages to open, I can't even remember what order i opened the girls in but i completed GOAL 1.

One blonde girl in the mall when people were on the benches behind us and walking passed, the thing Ive noticed is that people around never take noticed. In fact, I can only remember one time when people have even properly noticed and that was when i opened a really hot blonde polish girl and some guy just turned around for a while as he walked on.

Also I havent seen/remembered any of the girls ive opened since I started going Manchester, it really is insignificant.

1 girl technically wasnt in a crowded area but I did have heavy AA when i did started the conversation

Another girl, which I think was my second or third approach was what set the mindset for the day. She walked passed, I turned around and i was nervous and throat closed up but I just ACCEPTED everything, "Im nervous. . .okay. Shit people are around. . .well thats the way it is. My voice is gone. . .well okay." Make decision, follow it through and deal with the consequences after.


Review

- I didnt do the other 2 missions as it took me 3 HOURS to complete the first one BUT I noticed that after opening a girl my state would go up only to drop as i spent ages looking for a new person to open. If I opened UG's as i went about it, my state would be up and I'd probably be able to game better. I know this.

- I still don't open enough. I am going to do TYLER DURDEN'S NEWBIE MISSION starting Monday. Help me loosen up, so i can then do mass approaches to get more experience.

- I want to start opening with compliments, directions are annoying

- Also girls don't stop when i speak to them, they used to. i used to think walking along with them was good. No get them to stop.


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Next time I will open attractive girls with compliments AND open unnattractive girls to pump state and get talkative.

Also I'm starting a newbie mission and new EC Social Exercise on Monday - things to do during the day.

Also after watching Daygame.com, im glad that they agree with me on what to do after the opener (only I never really new how to go about it).

Friday 9th March 2012

Issues Addressed

- Low state
- Building state

Goals

To open a girl and transist with a statement.

Review

I didn't do this. Which I know is bad but i know why I didn't do it. It was my state.

I should have built my state by doing lots of approachs but for some reason i was really outcome based

"Oh she might think this", "she wont be friendly" "uh she's not hot w/e"

So after about an hour of walking around and the lowest state possible I was walking to catch the train home.

But I decided to building state by opening whoever and working my way up.

I opened a cute girl who turned out to be foriegn, i was so nervous and my voice was really high and girly my head was rushing after as she didnt really reply.

Next I opened a chinese girl for the time only she couldnt understand me and my voice was relaly high pitched and I nearly freaked as some people were walking by. I looked like a deer in the headlights, I said a load of shit that didnt make sense and bailed.

Then randomly i saw a cute hot blonde walking towards me and I stopped her, she took her headphones out and i spoke LOUD, CLEAR and DEEP and held really great EC with her and chatted for a minute and i gave her a compliment. This is something I havent been able to do after a long break.

And then i had a similar interaction a few seconds later. 4 approaches in 20minutes. i also opened another girl later on. So 5 apps today.


This is when I had an epiphany. To build state, to grow, to get good, you have to do approaches that make you feel nervous and make your head feel like its going to pop! So then the next one you're more out of your head and don't think at all.

Im going to stay away from the busy streets for a while and work the outskirts of the city centre where I can approach girls WAY easier coming towards me or walking next to me.

And i am going to build state by doing something that pushes my comfort zone in each approach.

And I will open with a compliment too.

How to Build State with Comfort Pushing

I guess i can only take action when Im nervous;

In crowds

When low on state

By opening with a compliment and becoming progressively more forward.

For the time it will just be "hey i just had to come and say that I think you look really nice"

BUT I know my main problem is transisting and carrying on the conversation, taking action will not be overcome by going direct.

So Tomorrow's goals:

Build state

Compliment

I also know Ive got to get girls to stop when I open, this is easier with girls coming towards me.

Saturday 10th March 2010

Issues Addressed

- Following up
- Complimenting
- Working the quieter places
- State


Goals

To transist off the opener using a statement

To make a compliment


What happened

I went into the city for around 5hours 4 of which was game, the last hour wasn't really anything.

I opened 7 girls that I can remember, an extra 2 that don't count though.

2 of which I followed up on with assumption statements (observations). They were dead short too.

I did miss lots of opportunities though and made lots of silly excuses like "I don't know how old she is" etc. Also I was mixed up between to go Indirect or compliment which meant I'd fizzle out.

I now know to make firm single focused decisions

The 2 girls i transisted on weren't particularly hot but the first girl we had a few minute conversation where i was ACTIVELY doing it and the second girl just answered it but weirdly

Not going to lie, hotter girls tend to be more receptive and friendlier. I don't mean they're better people or anything but as TylerD once said "game was made for hot girls".

Conclusion

I found that because i wasn't focusing how many girls i have to open and just taking them as they came I was a lot more calmer

To use follow up material just stop them, be quiet, let the girl speak and then cut off w/e they are saying and say statements, stack them on top of each other.

EC is still very powerful, I mean once i get better at escalating (im such a pussy about this escalating) my EC will definitely be my main attraction point.

To really focus on dominance, its a great and crucial trait to develop even in life. Also opening is a decision, you decide to open a girl and i regularly chicken out when i see a girl. NO! If i want to be dominant, i have to make and follow through with decisions, accept what could happen and do it anyway.

That is crucial and important.

Also opening girls who are stationary and to not really care in general, i know this is an arbitrary thing to say and near meaningless but the more i open in a certain space of time and FOLLOW UP the better my state will be in general and develop my desired lifestyle, traits and skillset/personality

TOMORROW'S GOALS

To follow up after the opener on a hot girl

To open more girls in general and be more DECISIVE on the opener - be more like "im going to open her even though its going to go terrible because i made this decision"

To open with a compliment at the end of the day

Sunday 11th March 2012

Issues Addressed

- Low approaching number
- Not opening frequently
- Following up!!
- Foreign people are great for state building

GOALS

To follow-up/transist/switch topic

To compliment

What Happened

I opened an unattractive girl straight away after getting off the train. Then I didnt open for ages.

Opened an unattractive foreign girl

Then I opened a hot girl in the crowded city centre but I missed so many girls i could have opened. I also remember having a moment where i was feeling nervous and i didnt accept it and open her.

I did 3 follow ups:

1 - A blonde girl, as she gave directions i said "you don't sound like you're from around here", she mentioned she's at uni. We went our seperate ways

I should have said "Let me guess, business management" or guessed her course.

2 - A foreign tall blonde girl, I said the same line and quickly bailed after she said a line

3 - A girl i thought was going to be foreign and unable to speak english turned out she could and I did the same line she said she was from london.

I noticed each time i bailed as im scared of what they think or of being rejected.

What i need is to embarrass myself more or, more specifically, do the things i think will and see that it isnt that bad.

I also opened a chinese girl who could speak a word of english and said she was very attractive as i knew she couldn't understand me (talk about progressive desensitisation)

Review

I still am approaching on quieter streets as this way i can get them to stop. You must get them to stop, this was something I didn't know.

I must carry on conversations until they want to go using more statements and they want to talk to me, this will also build state.

I also still can't open with compliments or directly which is what i really want to do. Also I know Im repeating myself but I must stop using people being around as an excuse - I always do use this one!!

Also whilst on an escalator i saw 2 hot blondes, although they might have been jailbait and one held my EC i gave a sly smile and she pulled a face, not sure if it was a sarcastic "What you looking at" type smile or just not knowing how to react to holding EC. I turned away after she finished pulling the face as i was at the top and maybe a bit nervous.

Overall I wasn't feeling my best, I feel confident when I step outside my comfort zone, after i feel great. I wonder if I just don't step out side of my comfort zone enough or at all really.


TOMORROW'S GOALS

To open in town and crowded areas where I feel nervous and scared get them to STOP.

Make an OBSERVATION and then MAKE A SECOND ONE.

Compliment

NEW GOALS

My new daily goals are this:

To project laser sharp EC with sexual Intent at every girl i see. This will also help me stay in the present and in the moment.

To be more of a challenge with people in general. This is kind of esoteric i guess. This could easily change as I dont have a plan as per se for learning all these different attributes.

To follow up Indirect conversations with Statements/Observations, more than one though. Ideally to not eject and keep going.

To do one "direct" conversation with a girl during the day. Just one until I feel I could do it more.




I will work on these daily until MARCH 31st.

I will journal on these daily too. Also I will write up how i feel about each one NOW and then write up how i feel about them THEN on March 31st. See what's changed but I still feel like im missing a real progression plan and would totally love it if any EXPERIENCED PUAs would help me write up a progression plan .

Monday 12th March 2012

Issues Addressed

- Opening in crowded areas
- AA lower
- Follow up
- Progression
- Epiphanies (2)

Goal

To go out and open in crowded areas

To follow up

To open directly

What Happened

I opened 13 girls today and a lot of them were hot. One wasnt. A few were slightly older but still attractive (late 20's)

I used a tactic I heard of JAMES MARSHALL on the Under21convention about feeling the soles in your feet. I also was aware of reference experiences and knew to open in situations i dont normally to then have the reference experience.

I opened when a guy was walking between a hot girl on my right and a guy on my left, usually i dont do this as im afraid ill draw attention to myself but when i did the person carried on walking.

I also usually only open when I get ahead of someone and DONT make eye contact as then I think "shit she'll know im speaking to her for something other than directions" but this time I did that. Its okay!

Also I managed to stop girls walking in the same direction as me in malls and city centre rather than the outskirts/quieter streets. Its dead simple - you turn to them and stop yourself. . . haha so easy.

Smiling and deep voice are SO important, every time I don't do either of these you can tell the girl isn't interested. I know i only ask for directions but when my voice is deep, my EC is laser sharp and i smile - I notice girls faces lighting up. I just chicken out to take it any further.


But now AA is lowered and almost gone; i just have to get over the one thing - hooking, I now know it will be awkward until i have hooked, i guess i thought after the opener girls just stay with you almost. When really it is about getting them to stay and talk to you.

I know I opened more than 13 but thats all i remember. In the space of three and a half hours.

My Epiphanies

My first one is about pushing myself, as I dont have a wingman or anyone to even speak to I have to find ways to push myself a little further.

Im going to take out all my money from my bank (considering i dont have a job, it is all i have AT ALL) and if i dont open directly then i will put it all in a charity box NO SHIT. I need to push myself, its why i want to do a boot-camp, to just have someone push me!

I will push myself from now on, if this is what it takes, then this is what it takes.

Epiphany number 2, something i heard TylerDurden say; "Maybe there's a reason why its taking you so long. Maybe you have something to learn, there is still things you need to find out, do, maybe 'God' has something for you to discover before you can progress".

It really hit me.

REVIEW

I did good. I opened way more and accepted negativity way more and did it anyway.

I did say follow up lines a few times but I should have Carried them on. I will say something a bit more 'out there' to get better attention.

I will do my newbie challenge of taking £400 out, if i dont do direct (what i want to do) then i will put it away in a charity box. Its about DOING not outcome or how it goes.

Remember, Get ahead of girl, look at her from behind, turn around, stop/stop her and open!

Also IN BUSY CROWDED AREAS PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO SEE/HEAR WHAT YOU ARE DOING YET THERE IS MORE WOMEN TO FIND. Win win! Go open direct